Posts by jonahstourguide

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Sept 15 Study Watchtower page 25 par 12. "According to one study"

by jonahstourguide in

for those who may be interested and wondering from where the " according to one study over.

forty percent..usw...." information is sourced.

its lifted from charles duhigg's 2012 book "a power of habit".

jonahstourguide

Thank you for those links jgnat, love the rider and the elephant analogy. Enjoyed the links.

I have this little being in my head that wakes up and says "oh? really?... where's the data?"

(although lately my little being isn't getting much sleep !)

Makes me a bit of a doubting Thomas but I think its helping me to form a happier

relationship with my elephant !!! lol

I agree with your "habituation to submission" comment as I am since recent times "back in"

and I see the process in action around me but I reckon those reminder articles that

I guess are part of the submission process, are subliminally directed at the elders

as it may well be recognised the reality of that "kindly care" often goes missing in action.

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Sept 15 Study Watchtower page 25 par 12. "According to one study"

by jonahstourguide in

for those who may be interested and wondering from where the " according to one study over.

forty percent..usw...." information is sourced.

its lifted from charles duhigg's 2012 book "a power of habit".

jonahstourguide

For those who may be interested and wondering from where the " According to one study over

forty percent..usw...." information is sourced. Its lifted from Charles Duhigg's 2012 book "A Power Of Habit"

He there makes reference to a study paper published in 2006 by the Duke University.

The paper, entitled " Habits--- A Repeat Performance" actually states that "approximately 45% ..usw......)

Actually I found it an interesting read. The paper also appeared in " CURRENT DIRECTIONS IN PSYCHOLOGICAL SCIENCE"

Vol 15 no 4 pages 198 through 202.

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Advise needed please

by EdenOne in

dear forumites, i need your advise please.. i would like to write a letter to the world headquarters of the jehovah's witnesses regarding a subject that i've published an article recently.

i would like to draw the attention of the gb to said article, which i will send in print form (therefore, no attention would be drawn to the website where it was published).. naturally, because i am a jehovah's witness in good standing in the congregation and what i'll be discussing in my letter will be a dissenting view from the official doctrine/practice, i want to protect my identity and i don't want to be harassed by elders or subjected to any sort of judicial investigation.

nevertheless, i would be very interested in reading their response (if any) to my letter.. how can i do that?

jonahstourguide

I wonder, if it came from a known studious publisher ( in the opinion of the local body) in a cong from another country with no apparent connection to yourself and with a reasonable standing in the cong???? Make letter available to said publisher and see what happens. Trouble is you are connected to your site via this forum so you gotta ask yourself,,,, would I rob a bank with this said person?

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Nov 2013 KM Question Box. Head coverings on Doorstep bible studies

by BroMac in

should a female publisher wear a headcovering if she is accompanied by a male publisher at a door step bible study?

when a female publisher conducts a regular ,scheduled bible study and a male kingdom publisher is present, she should wear a head covering.(1cor.

11:3-10)the july 15, 2002 issue of the watchtower, page 27, explains: this is a pre arranged session of teaching where the one conducting the study actually presides.

jonahstourguide

In the short time I've been here I must say how Impressed I am with the depth of

research many have and are doing, in and outside the WTS. The above KM article bemused me.

It's due for consideration tonight and I do recall how the matter caused confusion

years ago and continues to do so, apparently !

I am using the WT CD less for a couple of reasons;

The salient references for and against adopting a position on any topic are to be found on this site.

A wide range of views on a topic can be considered to reach a view that I'm comfortable with.

And I get to have a good laugh to boot !!!!!!!

The light does get brighter!!!!!!

Thank you

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C,O's,D,O's from down under...who remembers??

by karter in

wolford and betty john,nice loveing couple,always loved children.. arther and tinnie roderson, nice couple he passed away some years ago too young from cancer.. wiakato and hine gray couldn't ask for better people.. jack teesie ..single guy would never go to a single sisters place for dinner even if she had children apperantly a bad look.. joe sleighman and wife nice couple were d.o's leaft and joined our side.. sandy pannell and wife...he reminded me of bill clinton always love to look down from the stage and wave his left finger at the congro....never liked him.. han's hubler,nuff said has been a few threads started about him.. there is many more.. karter..

jonahstourguide

Vin Toole appears to be the "big-time" lawyer as he is named on most of the important financial and corporate matters.

Ms R. van Wilson legal counsel got the job in the Inquiry into handling of child abuse. She handled

matters much better than O'Brien the Director and acting Branch Coordinator.

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A question about shunning-your input appreciated

by crazycate in

jw
friends

i have been inactive for 5 years now.

lately i am being treated more and more as if i were disfellowshipped, which i am not.

do any of you know of anything, in writing, that is encouraging members to curtail any and all association with former members who are no longer active?.

jonahstourguide

Well I notice that also Eden and many KM articles encourage communication and encouragement with respect to inactive ones. What caught my eye last week was the constitution that congs in oz voted on to qualify for tax breaks under the new charitable institutions statutes. In the jw constitution it states that, under "definition of membership", "active publishers" are recognised as members. I queried this with an elder in view of the OM book that considers inactive ones to be part of the congregation and need to be encouraged. I saw this as a contradiction. He said "don't worry about legal stuff, they're gonna point a huge cannon our way soon and it wont matter" I did see a note in the elders manual that suggested if a inactive member of the family sinned then those in the family may well treat him accordingly. I guess if you discuss your feelings about your doubts and the family don't like it then that might lead to a "shunning " situation.

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C,O's,D,O's from down under...who remembers??

by karter in

wolford and betty john,nice loveing couple,always loved children.. arther and tinnie roderson, nice couple he passed away some years ago too young from cancer.. wiakato and hine gray couldn't ask for better people.. jack teesie ..single guy would never go to a single sisters place for dinner even if she had children apperantly a bad look.. joe sleighman and wife nice couple were d.o's leaft and joined our side.. sandy pannell and wife...he reminded me of bill clinton always love to look down from the stage and wave his left finger at the congro....never liked him.. han's hubler,nuff said has been a few threads started about him.. there is many more.. karter..

jonahstourguide

Ray Cowling, we used to nick name him scowling cowling, I did like his poems though some were a bit corny. How about little John Wilson, heard he passed away coupla years ago. Dave Madzay seemed a cool guy, heard he got DF'd, thats a looong time ago. Winston aPyne was a cong overseer when I was a kid. I think there were a couple of Bromwich boys I believe Ted was the fire and brimstone c o man. Manwering, Mouritz Maclean were co's as I recall.Don Maclean was a dead keen ham radio fan. Max Lloyd also did the rounds before heading to Bethel.

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A question about shunning-your input appreciated

by crazycate in

jw
friends

i have been inactive for 5 years now.

lately i am being treated more and more as if i were disfellowshipped, which i am not.

do any of you know of anything, in writing, that is encouraging members to curtail any and all association with former members who are no longer active?.

jonahstourguide

I do know that if your'e inactive and express opinions that don't toe the "company" view you will be

treated as a DF person. I was recently warned about my associating with a couple of old friends

due to their 'poisonous thinking' although they're not DF. But I'm finding that it's not poisonous !!!!! the beers are cold and the conversations

are stimulating. However the "organised" book 2005 kind of hints that on page 155. After talking about rendering spiritual assistance

to inactive ones it states "However if the person who disassociates himself by repudiating the faith and deliberately

abandoning Jehovah's worship is viewed in the same way as one who is disfellowshipped. A brief announcement

is made to inform the congregation, stating: "(Name of person) is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses" "

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Look, Up in the Air...It's a Bird, it's a Plane...No, It's a JW!!

by Cold Steel in

for you ex-jehovahs witnesses...and even you current ones...have you ever contemplated your future existence in paradise earth, should you be fortunate enough to end up there?

during those raucous, fun moments at the kingdom hall when you were contemplating eternity and having the times of your lives...did you ever speculate about what life would be like?

for example, would you have to walk everywhere or would you be able to fly around like superman?

jonahstourguide

no its not birds planes or jw's... its the Fifth Dimension in their Beautiful Balloon

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Manfred Barthel

by jonahstourguide in

jonahstourguide

oops

In the September 15 2013 Study issue on page 21 paragraph 18 there is a asterisk footnote reference to a

February 1 1994 Watchtower page 9 paragraph 7.

There it takes a quote from Manfred Barthel's book "The Jesuits - History & Legend of the Society of Jesus"

The Watchtower quotes thus ,, "The committee informed van der Steen that they were prepared to waive the height requirement, but only with the proviso that he would learn to recite the entire bible by heart. The story would hardly be worth telling if van der Steen had not complied with this rather presumptuous request"

I am trying to ascertain if this is in fact supported by any proof from Manfred Barthel or if in fact it is simply anecdotal.

The best i can find is that Manfred Barthel was a Scriptwriter, Film Producer, Journalist and Co-Producer of Von Daniken's "Chariots Of The Gods"

Can anyone here enlighten me. ( I have used Lord google and it referred to Wiki's article on van der Steen but no reference to his height or

Bible recitation from memory).