Black sheep, aside from your, to my mind, colourful language, you make a good point in relation to parents not giving their children the opportunity to do well, but the children still have a responsibility to care for them, according to the WT. I recall a case my wife told me about in her old cong where a bro had retired thinking the end was near and that there was no need to be worried about a good pension, and had to go back to work in his late 60's to make ends meet. His special pioneer daughter, a looper by all accounts, continued to pioneer when her elderly parents needed her help, leaving it up to the local cong to do everything for her.
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They are Definitely Attacking "Higher Education"
by XBEHERE ina friend of mine recently had his co visit and in the elders meeting the co out-right asked the question: how are the friends doing in your cong.
as regards pursuing higher education?
the co continued...you know in view of all the counsel from the slave regarding the dangers.
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Ray Franz
by thedog1 inam reading coc at the moment, about half way through.
just finished reading some of the details of what happened in malawi and mexico years ago.
which reminded me that in the early 80's a very well known elder in the country i was then living in went to new york as he had discovered all the discrepencies between what had happened in malawi and in mexico and wanted to know what the gb had to say about it.
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I am now two thirds of the way through CoC and while i disagree with Ray on some doctrinal points, the way he and his friends were treated in terms of the judicial committees was very unfair.
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Ray Franz
by thedog1 inam reading coc at the moment, about half way through.
just finished reading some of the details of what happened in malawi and mexico years ago.
which reminded me that in the early 80's a very well known elder in the country i was then living in went to new york as he had discovered all the discrepencies between what had happened in malawi and in mexico and wanted to know what the gb had to say about it.
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Ray Franz
by thedog1 inam reading coc at the moment, about half way through.
just finished reading some of the details of what happened in malawi and mexico years ago.
which reminded me that in the early 80's a very well known elder in the country i was then living in went to new york as he had discovered all the discrepencies between what had happened in malawi and in mexico and wanted to know what the gb had to say about it.
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I'm not sure how to answer the question of how I feel now, Sam. Up in the air. We have the meeting tonight and it is all a bit schizophrenic, reading things here and then going to the hall as if everything is normal.
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Ray Franz
by thedog1 inam reading coc at the moment, about half way through.
just finished reading some of the details of what happened in malawi and mexico years ago.
which reminded me that in the early 80's a very well known elder in the country i was then living in went to new york as he had discovered all the discrepencies between what had happened in malawi and in mexico and wanted to know what the gb had to say about it.
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Ray Franz makes a big point of the fact that the org never really admitted it was wrong for all the changes in doctrine and expectations for 1914, and then attempted to shift the blame to the ordinary bros and sis for expecting things that never took place. The org has often quoted the example of Saul as someone who minimised his own mistakes and shifted the blame to others for things he was really responsible for. Shame they don't fess up and take the blame themselves once in a while. What would be wrong with honesty? We can respect someone who honestly admits a mistake and tries to change. But if he doesn't...
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Ray Franz
by thedog1 inam reading coc at the moment, about half way through.
just finished reading some of the details of what happened in malawi and mexico years ago.
which reminded me that in the early 80's a very well known elder in the country i was then living in went to new york as he had discovered all the discrepencies between what had happened in malawi and in mexico and wanted to know what the gb had to say about it.
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Am reading CoC at the moment, about half way through. Just finished reading some of the details of what happened in Malawi and Mexico years ago. Which reminded me that in the early 80's a very well known elder in the country I was then living in went to New York as he had discovered all the discrepencies between what had happened in Malawi and in Mexico and wanted to know what the GB had to say about it. Anyway, he did not get a satisfactory answer and proceeded to demonstrate outside the gates of the district convention in relation to this and other issues. At the time he was completely demonised by the local bros and we were warned not to listen to him. I thought at the time that he was a terrible apostate as he took most of his local congregation with him when he left the org. I had heard rumours of the Mexico situation but until tonight when i read the part in CoC about it I never understood what had really happened. It only took me about 30 years to catch up!
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Thoughts on going back, am I the only one that feels this way?
by excaliber inhello everyone, i know you have heard this topic before and your probably thinking.
...not again lol.. but i was wondering if anyone has thought of going back for the same reasons as myself, i don't think its the truth but i searched and my conclusion is that other religions don't have the truth, they are all wrong in my opinion.
if there is no other religion to go too, why leave were i was born and raised.
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Simon Templar, maybe you are a bit of a saint! Just a joke! You sound very sensible. I agree with you in some ways that the weekly pioneer praising is a bit much. As if you have to justify it if you do not pioneer. This caused enormous problems for my wife who pioneered for seven years which nearly wrecked her whole life. She is a very shy person and this really took everything out of her. She is now, after almost 40 years baptised, a physical and mental wreck. The pressure of pioneering , living up to unrealistic standards and feeling guilty about it all has made her into a hermit, almost, and now she is struggling to get to meetings. She finds the interaction, which is mostly loving and done out of concern from the bros and sis to be very difficult. She has a stronger faith than I do, and I am an elder! She really believes that it is all true, whereas I see the holes and the inconsistencies, the generation teaching , the mind control, the danger of voicing any dissent. We also avoid the CO and wife when they visit. We also have some very right-wing elders who have been drafted in recently to sort out some problems in the congegation. So they are company men with whom one dares not voice any doubts or variations from the party line. Interesting that you can just rise above the doctrinal and historic issues and simply carry on in your own way. I am also a cautious person who, if I ever did fade, would do it in a non-controversial way and never voice any doubts or contrary views. Not sure if I could continue to simply go along if I really did not believe any of it any more.
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Disciplinary Actions
by Cold Steel induring a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?
an advocate?.
why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?
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Have to go now, hope to respond more later today or tomorrow.
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Disciplinary Actions
by Cold Steel induring a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?
an advocate?.
why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?
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thedog1
Ecan6, I have sent you a pm
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sorry, that should be horses for courses.