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  S-77 disfellowshiped or disassociated form

  by Paul Bonanno in

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  i would like to obtain a copy of the form used by the elders to inform the branch office when a person is disfellowshiped or disassociated the s- 77.. the form needs to be the one used in 1994 preferably printed in uk..

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  Gentledawn

  https://wtsarchive.com/letter/s-77-e_notification-of-disfellowshipping-or-disassociation
  
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  Study article: "Go, and Make Disciples.." is a hot mess

  by Sanchy in

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  so i hooked into meeting via phone this week to listen in and was shocked at the absurdities mentioned in the study article (2016 may watchtower: "go,..and make disciples of people of all the nations").

  the answer is obvious—only jehovah’s witnesses.

  the answer the missionary priest gave in no way proves that jws are the only ones "preaching the good news".

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  Gentledawn

  Is there a scripture where Jesus addresses hundreds of his disciples with the commission to tell the good news?
  

  Parallel Gospels:

  http://www.para-gospel.com/section/asv/17.TheResurrection///

  Matthew 28:16-20 is a stand-alone.
  
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  Has the Australian Royal Commision been shown the 2016 convention videos?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  wonder if the arc have seen the series of videos being shown at the 2016 convention?.

  part of their questioning was about the societies treatment of those who want to leave without prejudice or shunning from family.

  for example, the way the parents kicked out the daughter, and refused to answer a phone call from her.... also they used the expression "a captive organisation",which jackson denied.. what about the paranoia and fear tactics used in the "bunker / basement" series?

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  exjwlemming 10 minutes ago

  
  

  Official 2016 schedule, Australia selected:

  https://www.jw.org/apps/E_SEARCHCONV?selLocation=AUS&selLanguageID=1&txtBeginDate=yyyy-mm-dd&txtEndDate=yyyy-mm-dd&txtSearch=&txtAction=SEARCH&selSortBy=1

  Long story short: yes, they are having conventions in Australia.
  
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  Maybe I'm Just Ignorant About the New "Anti-Gay" Video

  by turtleturtle in

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  homophobia (m-w.com):.

  : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

  can someone tell me, specifically, was homophobic about the new "anti-gay" wt video.

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  Gentledawn

  The real trick is this: They're not sending the JW kids out to directly convert (in this case) the homosexual parents.

  No, they're having a child of a JW go to the gay couple's child and hold out the fake-ass hope of petting pandas and lions in a paradise. After the 'unbelieving' child gets baited into believing the more benign nonsense, then the fear-mongering will be implanted next.   

  What will that child do? Likely go home and ask/tell their 2 mommies that they're going to burn in hell get killed during armageddon. That poor child is gonna have anxiety they wouldn't otherwise have had, foisted upon them by the JW classmate.   
  
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  Maybe I'm Just Ignorant About the New "Anti-Gay" Video

  by turtleturtle in

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  homophobia (m-w.com):.

  : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

  can someone tell me, specifically, was homophobic about the new "anti-gay" wt video.

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  Instructions for Circuit Accounting (S-331)

  by wifibandit in

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  instructions for circuit accounting (s-331) 6/13.

  7. normal operating expenditures: normal operating expenditures include per capita contributions for use of an assembly hall, payments for other meeting facilities, and reimbursement of the special assembly day guest speaker or trav-eling overseer for travel costs or other incidental expenses incurred in connection with a circuit assembly, an assigned district convention, or a special assembly day or while teaching the pio-neer service school or moving to a new assign-ment.

  such expenditures do not require a res-olution.

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  Circuit Accounts Servants Confesses how the SCAM WORKS!!
  

  Yes, I too have wondered how an assembly that is held in a fully paid for assembly hall, with no food service, could possibly have $10,000 in expenses. I suppose the bethel speakers have transportation expenses - maybe $1000 or so. As for rent on the assembly hall, well you have already paid for it once, why pay again?
  

  I suspect that the society levies an expected contribution, based on attendance.
  

  I used to be the assembly hall account overseer- and i will tell you exactly why you are ALWAYS IN THE RED-
  

  they use some wacky formula to come up with a PER PUB RATE it varies---
  

  when the accout overseer gets to the hall at about 6;30 7 AM on sat he meets with the assembly hall overseer who has a form ==
  

  DAMN I SHOULD HAVE KEPT COPIES OF ALL THAT SH!T- I JUST WANTED to get the He!! out of WT when i got ready to leave= ANYWAY
  

  It will show the number of pubs in the circuit "X" the rate let's say $11.25 per pub ( per capita )
  

  975 pub X $11.75 = $11,450-+
  

  and at this point before the assembly even starts
  

  YOU ARE IN THE RED BEFORE THE DOORS EVEN OPEN with a deficit of over $11,000

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/62001/circuit-accounts-servants-confesses-how-scam-works?page=1&size=20

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  Take another look at this form (courtesy of wifibandit)

  CIRCUIT ASSEMBLY FINANCIAL REPORT (S-332-E) 10/15
  

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2fYNzAbUpqFSzJQMWM3aDN6X1k/view?pref=2&pli=1

  Who goes about paying bills and has the throw-away expenditures (so-called worldwaidekingdom hall build donations, etc) paid for prior to their necessary ones (your electric and other utilities)? No family living on a real-life budget plans on their video game purchases and other fluff prior to taking care of their real bills.

  Also, take note that the donation made is past tense, but the surplus/deficit is present tense:

  2. Based on the funds available, a donation was made to the worldwide work in the amount of ______
  

  6. Therefore, at this point we have a surplus/deficit of (difference between lines 4 and 5) _______

  
  

  The donation was decided upon that same day, but they talk like the money has already been whisked away to watchtower.
  
  
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  Instructions for Circuit Accounting (S-331)

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
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  instructions for circuit accounting (s-331) 6/13.

  7. normal operating expenditures: normal operating expenditures include per capita contributions for use of an assembly hall, payments for other meeting facilities, and reimbursement of the special assembly day guest speaker or trav-eling overseer for travel costs or other incidental expenses incurred in connection with a circuit assembly, an assigned district convention, or a special assembly day or while teaching the pio-neer service school or moving to a new assign-ment.

  such expenditures do not require a res-olution.

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  Gentledawn

  7. Normal operating expenditures: Normal operating expenditures include per capita contributions for use of an Assembly Hall, payments for other meeting facilities, and reimbursement of the special assembly day guest speaker or trav-eling overseer for travel costs or other incidental expenses incurred in connection with a circuit assembly, an assigned district convention, or a special assembly day or while teaching the Pio-neer Service School or moving to a new assign-ment. Such expenditures do not require a res-olution. Instead, they can be approved by the assembly overseer or the assistant assembly over-seer either by signing the invoice or by providing one of the signatures on the check. An itemized list of expenses,together with receipts, should be provided.

  
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  Legal Dictionary thefreedictionary[.]com definition:

  Per Capita

  [...]

  adj. Latin for " by head ," meaning to be determined by the number of people.
  

  http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Per+capita

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  Merriam-Webster dictionary definition:

  Full Definition of per capita
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  equally to each individual
  
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  per unit of population
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  by or for each person [the highest income per capita of any state in the union]

  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/per%20capita
  
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  What is known is that they were attempting to steal a car and they ran from the police

  Hearsay evidence. That's why the police are not judges. It was not reported anywhere that the cop confronted the kids before all parties were in their respective vehicles and the cop started ramming them with his SUV. Why no lights or sirens? Was the cop off duty and that was his privately owned vehicle, with no lights or sirens?

  in this article, it states that the vehicle was "his", meaning the cop's. Does that mean it was not a police-issued one? Again, no sirens or lights? No way to know that the crazy guy behind them is an actual

  http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016/03/addison-police-investigating-police-shooting.html/
  

  
  

  The kids were not alleged to be stealing the vehicles. they were allegedly breaking into the other vehicles in order to steal items. What is known is that the cop took his SUV and rammed it into the 16yo's Dodge Charger, then shot him dead and critically wounded his passenger (head shot).

  Google: Dodge Charger kid shot, this past weeks news for time frame

  Here ya go:
  

  "Although he was not in uniform and was driving his personal vehicle, Johnson repeatedly identified himself as a police officer, Livingston said."

  "... as he was ramming them from behind with his personal, no lights or sirens SUV, during what was likely a decent amount of speed"
  
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  Gentledawn

  - no knock warrants exist.

  - nut job (police or burgler) who crawled in through a basement window and is now heading up your stairs in the dead of night

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  remember: these ARE the police, not military:

  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=a3p6ip&s=4
  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=30aqk37&s=4

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  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

  "... is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States."

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  Woody Guthrie Ludlow Massacre :
  "Refers to the violent deaths of 20 people, 11 of them children, during an attack by the Colorado National Guard on a tent colony of 1,200 striking coal miners and their families in Ludlow, Colorado on April 20, 1914"
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDd64suDz1A
  

  The fact that the federal govt can pick you up without arresting you (indefinite detention), no access to lawyers, no rights, whisked away to Zeus-only-knows where.

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-garrison/martial-law-under-another_b_1370819.html

  Homan square black sight in Chicago is used by police there.
  http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/homan-square

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  Just putting all this info in one place.

  For some, there is no point except to debate, other than to debate some more. Honestly, there needs to be some rollbacks on general government and police powers. The police are rolling around inside the USA, shooting people who are suspects and getting away with it. The latest were 2 kids who allegedly broke into some cars. They were driving a Dodge Challenger, owned by the 16yo victim of the police shooting. His car is likely now owned by the same police dept that shot him. Because "civil forfeiture" is a real thing. And a real problem. That kid was never under arrested or even spoke to a cop before he was shot dead. He never had his day in court. Never had his side heard before jury of his peers. Nothing.

  Because the police can act like judge, jury and executioner.

  That needs fixed. They need to be held to the same standards as civilians. Banks, too. Money needs pulled out of politics, both during campaign season and through perks used as payoffs (or however its done these days... likely perks, not cash).
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  Alan Rickman's Passing

  by TipsyMangoTea in

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  alan rickman, best known to my generation as prof. severus snape from the harry potter film franchise, has passed away due to cancer at the age of 69.. growing up with a witness mother, anything related to science fiction and fantasy was looked down upon, so, naturally, i was a rebel rebel (oh david bowie...).. just wanted to let any potterheads know the news and that even if you feel like you'll never be free of the deadly watchtower, you're not alone and there's hope.. always..

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  Gentledawn

  Sweeney Todd - "Pretty Women", Performed by Johnny Depp and Alan Rickman

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJUr7jMpKTs