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  What will you do to celebrate Oct 2 2014?

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like most people reading this, i was convinced that by 2014 the new system would 'definitely' have been operating for at least a decade.

  now that i know this is not going to be the case i am going to have to think of some way to recognise 100 years of wts let downs and failed predictions.

  there is no point fretting over the past so i think it will be a good time to celebrate.

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  baldeagle

  Friday October 3, 2014 all is fine here in Canada. Just remembering how I was told by every CO, elder, ms, & pioneer back in 1979/80 that I would never, ever work 30 years and retire from my public sector job in 2010. People told me I was dreaming, (2010 really??) for a certainty Armageddon would be here long before 30 years would ever go by. I was accused of having a weak faith and not understanding the meaning of world events.

  So many of the JW’s I knew that were born in the late 1950’s and were teenagers in the 1970’s truly lived with that narrow minded ideology. The idea of getting old and preparing for the future was foreign to them. Some left school when they turned 16 with a Grade 10 education to start pioneering as soon as possible. Don’t get me wrong many of these people were my friends, very sincere and heartfelt in their desire to please God. Now when I observe their anxieties primarily due to financial hardships caused by poor planning and job losses, I sort of feel sorry for them. Nevertheless I hold the WTS leadership responsible for creating this dismal state of affairs. Millions of honest hearted brothers & sisters have paid a steep price, giving up the prime of their lives to serve these twisted men, who claim to be the “voice of God.”

  WT June 15, 1957 p. 370 par. 7: “It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.”

  These leaders have a lot to answer for. I’m glad I always served and made life altering decisions with the, “What If…??……Philosophy……Guiding Me.”

  What If..??……it’s all a crock, a lie, a scam, a clever fabrication and just another man made religion, then what?? Yes we are starting the 2 nd century of Jesus' invisible heavenly rule. Faded 4 years now and never felt better.

  To my very few friends that still bother to speak to me, more than 3 decades later, I say this, “Collecting that full City pension with benefits is awesome.”

  I will celebrate this momentous anniversary by having a couple of drinks, and see what’s on Netflix.

  Cheers To Everyone.
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  New Appointments Are Very Fast & All On The CO

  by baldeagle in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the week of september 15, 2014 was the congregations cos visit.

  the midweek meeting was on tuesday, a very general bland talk was given by the co. in the past we would have had the elders & servants meeting on thursday night, and the other congregation meeting on friday.

  as you know the friday meeting is no more.

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  Hardtobeme you make valid points regarding one month before the visit etc. Here are more details in the actual letter.

  2. Appointments during a regular visit to a congregation: At least one month before the circuit overseer’s visit, the Congregation Service Committee should send to the circuit overseer the full name, date of birth, and date of baptism of any brother the body of elders will be recommending for appointment as an elder or a ministerial servant. The Recommendations for Appointment of Elders and Ministerial Servants (S-62) form should be used for this purpose.—See paragraph 14.

  3. No earlier than a day or two before the start of the visit, perhaps when other congregation records are provided, the elders should provide the circuit overseer with background information that will help him have a complete view of the qualifications of the brother(s) being recommended for appointment. Such information would include letters of recommendation (or perhaps letters of introduction) from a previous congregation. During the meeting with the elders later in the week, the circuit overseer will discuss the Scriptural qualifications of each brother recommended. ( ks10 chap. 3 pars. 1-10) If the circuit overseer determines that the brother does not measure up to the Scriptural requirements to a reasonable degree, he will advise the elders accordingly and inform them how they can help the brother to qualify in the future.

  It’s true that the CO will try to observe the brother or possibly work with him. Not so easy since dropping one meeting night during the visit. Also most brothers are working during the midweek for service arrangements.

  Bottom line the CO determines Yes or No. He is the one that signs off on the WTS form going forward. Therefore his letter was read, “I have appointed…”
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  New Appointments Are Very Fast & All On The CO

  by baldeagle in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the week of september 15, 2014 was the congregations cos visit.

  the midweek meeting was on tuesday, a very general bland talk was given by the co. in the past we would have had the elders & servants meeting on thursday night, and the other congregation meeting on friday.

  as you know the friday meeting is no more.

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  The week of September 15, 2014 was the congregation’s CO’s visit. The midweek meeting was on Tuesday, a very general bland talk was given by the CO. In the past we would have had the elders & servants meeting on Thursday night, and the other congregation meeting on Friday. As you know the Friday meeting is no more. My wife brought home the schedule for the week and I noticed that the elder’s meeting had been scheduled into that open night, namely Friday instead of the traditional Thursday.

  Five days later from the previous Friday’s elders and servants meeting was the regular midweek meeting (I listened on the phone). After some general announcements were read at the start of the Service Mtg. the brother said we have one last announcement. He said this letter is from our Circuit Overseer and it says, “This is to advise the congregation that I have appointed to a Ministerial Servant, Bro. So & So.”

  That was it one simple straightforward sentence. It specifically was worded that, “I have appointed to a MS……..” The turnaround time from the CO and elders discussions on recommendations was five days. In the past with the Branch involved, reviewing recommendations, rubber stamping them and sending them back would take 2-3 weeks.

  As stated in previous discussions on this subject this was clearly done to remove culpability and accountability from the Branch. The responsibilities of appointments are on the CO’s. This guy has been a CO for nearly 40 years and according to his age will be sent packing soon when he turns 70. Just can’t imagine how these guys and their wives who gave their whole life to an organization, many barely finishing high school are feeling right now!!

  Evidently more shocking surprises are ahead for the many sincere, genuine, but sadly, mislead JW’s.

  I can’t believe I was ever part of this lame, silly, marginal religion.
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  Geoffrey Jackson & His Wife Attend IC Held In Zimbabwe

  by baldeagle in

  1. social
  2. current

  https://www.newsday.co.zw/2014/09/11/came-saw-made-zim-richer/.

  if this subject was already considered i apologize for that.

  it was sent to me this afternoon regarding the international convention recently held; august 22-24 in zimbabwe.

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  https://www.newsday.co.zw/2014/09/11/came-saw-made-zim-richer/

  If this subject was already considered I apologize for that. It was sent to me this afternoon regarding the International Convention recently held; August 22-24 in Zimbabwe. It talked obviously of the resounding success of this gathering including a number of pictures (12 of them) depicting what happens at a JW convention. Some random comments in this news article.

  “Attendance on the first day, on Friday was over 68,000”

  “1,568 candidates out of at least 74,000 in attendance, Saturday, were baptized”

  “the last day, on Sunday attendance totaled 82,409 people.”

  “Guest speaker and member of Jehovah’s Witnesses’ governing body, Geoffrey Jackson and his counterpart Isaac Murray said the historic event was attended by representatives from 30 other countries across the globe.”

  The statement below which is the standard GB mantra no matter if they are speaking in a highly developed, affluent country, or a mainly impoverished, underprivileged starving nation, remains consistent.

  In reference to the challenges facing the world, in particular the political, social and economic challenges, Jackson said: “People shouldn’t worry about the problems they are facing. They shouldn’t also be anxious about their future as this system of things is coming to an end. You must pray incessantly and put your worries to our Heavenly Father Jehovah.”

  All members of the GB repeat these same statements to all JW’s, at all gatherings with no shame or compunction on their part. How they can keep a straight face and a clear conscience, I’ll never know. This is one of the many pictures in the news article.

  

  Geoffrey Jackson and his wife Loraini Jackson
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  Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?

  by Bart Belteshassur in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.

  in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.

  once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.

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  Thoughts on the new 'God's Kingdom Rules!' book

  by sd-7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was feeling a little melancholy earlier this week and i decided to start reading wt literature again, just to see what was new and improved.

  and it seems that, as has consistently been the case, the more i read of the literature, the more i see that i made the right choice to leave.. the first chapter goes into explaining what the kingdom is, then it looks like they must've essentially cut and pasted from the recent wt study articles about the 'harvest' illustration and about the two groups of anointed = one generation, but there's a third group of anointed who aren't part of 'this generation' (but, i imagine, probably will be someday, i mean, if two groups decades apart in age can be part of one generation, why not three?).

  it's interesting, looking at it again after all this time.

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  1874, 1914 and 1943

  by TD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a persistent meme that floats around on jw related internet forums holds that christ's second coming was moved forward 40 years (i.e.

  from 1874 to 1914) in the year 1943.

  (this appears to be based primarily on a statment in the book god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached on page 209 and to a lesser degree, a footnote at the bottom of page 133 of the publication jehovah's witnesses - proclaimers of god's kingdom.).

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  convinced 95% of all active jw's don't have a clue as to where 1914 originates

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so talking with my wife last night...i was explaining to her about a conversation i had with a person at work about end times.

  he has a strange belief that some scriptures in isaiah perdict something huge is going to happen in september of 2015. she then states that no one can predict the future only the father knows and he is in a cult.

  lol on the inside.. i then stated "what about 1914 and the dubs perdiction and what it means today" she said no there was never any predictions.

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  BOE 2014-07-13 Appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servants

  by WatchTower87 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  2014-07-13 appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servantsto all bodies of elders.

  the link removed by request is also available at the forms link.

  the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

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  baldeagle

  Thanks Watchtower87 for that link. I’ve known many CO’s over the last 40+ years. Some were pompous “company men” while others were genuine, friendly, amiable and down to earth. Many of them as we know started “pioneering” while in their late teens right out of high school. I can’t imagine any reasonable intelligent man allowing himself and his reputation to be put in jeopardy. These CO’s I’m sure realize that this is the WTS obvious intent. Namely, to distance themselves from financial harm while yet maintaining a positive, righteous image for themselves, as being a religion of high moral integrity.

  All of us would not allow our good reputation or our family name to be maligned, in the newspaper, on TV, or on the internet etc. But a CO is a perfect scapegoat for all of this. It’s brilliant in fact since these men and their wives have given their whole life to this religious institution. The WTS through donations pays for their cars, gas, meals, apt, medical expenses etc. These men have become wholly dependent and are trapped with very few marketable skills in the real world. Even if they disagree with this new loving arrangement they must be thinking…….. ”Whom shall we go away to?”

  They must feel completely euchred. Praise Jah.
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  Special Campaign In August Any Observations So Far

  by baldeagle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  km part this week (july 14) get ready for the special campaign in august the brother tried his best to hype it up.

  he raised his voice in enthusiasm and three times over ten minutes boomed out these same questions, are you ready brothers?

  are we all really, really ready for this special campaign in august?

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  KM part this week (July 14) “Get Ready For The Special Campaign In August” the brother tried his best to hype it up. He raised his voice in enthusiasm and three times over ten minutes boomed out these same questions, “Are You Ready Brothers? Are We All Really, Really Ready For This Special Campaign In August?”

  Here we are past the half way mark in July there should be lots of names to be read out to encourage the masses that are sitting on the fence. After all this is touted as being the most historical preaching campaign of all time. Handing out a folded piece of paper to advertise a website. What an innovative idea!

  At the end of his part, with only a couple of weeks to go, there were only 5 people announced that were really, really ready. Three elders, an elder’s wife and one MS. Maybe the floodgates of applications will occur in the next two weeks. What’s happening in your area?