Posts by aquafrenta

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Bible is inspired of God??????

by Crazyguy in

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is there anything in the bible that makes you believe that some or all the writings in the bible are inspired from god?.

aquafrenta

I believe most of the bible to be the inspired word of God.

In all seriousness I believe Shakespeare to also be an inspired by God work, difference is Shakespeare is not about God. Shakespeare also gives psuedo history lessons with moral implications.

To think the bible innerrant I find completely eroneous. I do believe what is teaches, chiefly mans sinful nature and Gods desire to redeem us through his affirmative action. Not ours lest we become boastful. It is not an instruction manual in perfect behaviour, quite the opposite, it is a treatice on the futility of perfection.

I do not need the bible to be perfect in its histories or science to appreciate the point it is making.

Like wise when I read Macbeth I can glean the moral lessons without believing in ghosts.

The St Crispins soliloquy inspires me and makes me feel exhilirated even though I know it is fictional interpretation of historical events.

I have known many who grumble over the innaccuracies of Shakespeare and who challenge the authorship. Reminds me of the endless challenges to the bible. Both are great literature either way.

I understand I am in the minority of christians who are willing to tell others what they believe. Doesn't mean I am in the minority of christians as to this belief.

I will go on record also in stating I do not believe the book of revelations to be in any way inspired. It should not be included with the other books. I would rather the book of Enoch, at least it makes a decent story line.

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JW. org: "No, we are not a cult. We do not look to any human as our leader."

by Faithful Witness in

i know this has been rehashed, time and again, but i saw this interesting blip on jw.org last night, and did a little thinking about it.... jw.

org answers the important question that so many have... are jehovah's witnesses a cult?.

jehovah's witnesses do not look to any human as their leader.

aquafrenta

This thread needs to be a sticky.

wbts is so much more than a "Cult"

I personally believe wbts to be the second most evil org the world has known, surpassed only by the 3rd reich. Once 13 million have died refusing blood it will have passed Hitlers evil org.

"Babies don't go to heaven? They are just dead!! Anyone telling you otherwise is being cruel." said a JW nieghbor to my sister,

only 2 days after her infant had died.

WTF? Ironic doesn't touch the surface!!

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Theism Makes Science Impossible

by cofty in

it is not impossible to be a great scientist and a theist - kenneth miller and francis collins are good examples.. however, science depends on methodological naturalism - a working assumption that there are natural causes for observed effects.

please note that methodological naturalism is not the same as ontological naturalism.

in other words scientists may believe in a spirit world or not as long as god is never invoked as an answer.. contrast this with theism which, unlike deism, declares god to be immanent and active in the world.. consider a scientist who is also a theist doing research into the efficacy of a new drug that cures heart disease.

aquafrenta

What do you get when you cross an athiest with a JW?

Someone who knocks on your door for no reason.

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Theism Makes Science Impossible

by cofty in

it is not impossible to be a great scientist and a theist - kenneth miller and francis collins are good examples.. however, science depends on methodological naturalism - a working assumption that there are natural causes for observed effects.

please note that methodological naturalism is not the same as ontological naturalism.

in other words scientists may believe in a spirit world or not as long as god is never invoked as an answer.. contrast this with theism which, unlike deism, declares god to be immanent and active in the world.. consider a scientist who is also a theist doing research into the efficacy of a new drug that cures heart disease.

aquafrenta

Cofty,

Feeling compelled to tell you one of my favorite jokes.

What do you get when you cross an agnostic with a dyslexic?

Someone who lays awake at night wondering if there is a Dog.

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Theism Makes Science Impossible

by cofty in

it is not impossible to be a great scientist and a theist - kenneth miller and francis collins are good examples.. however, science depends on methodological naturalism - a working assumption that there are natural causes for observed effects.

please note that methodological naturalism is not the same as ontological naturalism.

in other words scientists may believe in a spirit world or not as long as god is never invoked as an answer.. contrast this with theism which, unlike deism, declares god to be immanent and active in the world.. consider a scientist who is also a theist doing research into the efficacy of a new drug that cures heart disease.

aquafrenta

Cofty, I read more than the first line of your OP. Only a small portion of scientific inquiry involves matters of physical health. Your hypothetical is very narrow and extrapolating problems in medical research to "science and theism are incompatible " is not valid.

If A then B does not equal If B then A.

Medical science has a much more difficult time factoring placebo effect than Gods intervention. Astronomers, chemists, geologists, palientologists and anthropologists do not have to consider a medling God, nor become hypocrits in doing there work. Biologists on the other hand Do need to consider external effects. Call it God or the will to survive.

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Theism Makes Science Impossible

by cofty in

it is not impossible to be a great scientist and a theist - kenneth miller and francis collins are good examples.. however, science depends on methodological naturalism - a working assumption that there are natural causes for observed effects.

please note that methodological naturalism is not the same as ontological naturalism.

in other words scientists may believe in a spirit world or not as long as god is never invoked as an answer.. contrast this with theism which, unlike deism, declares god to be immanent and active in the world.. consider a scientist who is also a theist doing research into the efficacy of a new drug that cures heart disease.

aquafrenta

reality flies in the face of hypotheticals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_scientists

all theists

included in the list.....

Mendel

Pasteur

Marconi

Lamarck (call him a hypocrite?)

Ockham (go figure)

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Atheism and Theism are only partly right!

by abiather in

today we know that matter and energy are interchangeable, hence they are there always in either form, they are eternal, hence requires no creator.

hence atheism is right in rejecting a creator, but failed in providing any motivation for people to do good.

religions, in their effort to provide a motivating factor for humans to do good, introduced creation stories and other myths; hence they too are right (as far as their intention is concerned), yet failed in producing any worthy resultsworld was steadily moving from bad to worse and from worse to worst!.

aquafrenta

Lucky for this child at least one gorilla had been to church!!

http://youtu.be/Mcv2e9qvO9M

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Christians please answer something for me

by confusedandalone in

or should i say some things.... reading over another thread and a number of other threads i have to ask, why are we making excuses for jesus / god.. how can you fathom and all powerful god who created the universe and all the laws that govern it was not capable of:.

1. making sure the proper pronunciation of his name is not available.

2. that all his teaching are not preserved in an easy to discern manner so that ther is no confusion.

aquafrenta

Cofty, monster is a bit strong for me. Beging the question "If I were god would I intervene yearly, daily or hourly in human affairs?"

Sadly I would not. I would be tempted but don't think I would meddle much.

Guess I am also a "moral Monster".

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This generation will--not pass away"? but according to the WT it has to!--

by prologos in

wt writers have decreed, that "this generation" are the partaking anointed, not the general population.. according to the fresh light of july 15 2013, sealed anointed, fads& partakers all, will die and go to heaven before armageddon.. is the great tribulation including armageddon, not part of the end times prophecy, the wt hallmark?-- therefore:.

the generation, the anointed, have to die before the end , but.

jesus said that they* will not!

aquafrenta

Revelations relates the to the destruction of Israel by the Roman army. The generation spoken of did witness the desolation of desecration, and the temple was laid down so that no stone stood atop another. (The wailing wall was not part of the temple structure.) The Roman empire was the "Whore of Babalon"

Christs earthly reign began when he ascended, all of history is changed because of it. The snake was bound and Gods Kindom is established.

The Olivete discourse describes an eternal singular event. Christ gathers the saints to himself in the heavens when they perish. From heavens perspective it is a singular event, from an earthly perspective it is an on going event. The soul does not sleep, to be absent from the body is to be present with Christ.

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Christians please answer something for me

by confusedandalone in

or should i say some things.... reading over another thread and a number of other threads i have to ask, why are we making excuses for jesus / god.. how can you fathom and all powerful god who created the universe and all the laws that govern it was not capable of:.

1. making sure the proper pronunciation of his name is not available.

2. that all his teaching are not preserved in an easy to discern manner so that ther is no confusion.

aquafrenta

1 Jehova is not gods name, he has made it unknown. Jehova is a description of him "I am that I am". There is an unusual movie "PI" that correlates his name to the solution for pi.

2 Read "Glory of the Stars". All of "pagan" mythology is really a version of the redemption message given by God to Adam, Enoch and Noah.

3 The battle between good and evil, God and Satan, Heaven and Hell was originally found in Persia. The Israelites came by this knowledge while captive in Babalon. The wise men who attended Jesus birth were part of the more ancient "pagan" religion originated by Zoroaster.

4 God helps those who help themselves. Not a sparrow falls but he doesn't mourn. It rains on the just and unjust. God has given us all the tools we need to transfom the earth into paradise. There is a common story about a man caught in a flood who rejects help from many and after perishing confronts God. I trusted you to save me and you let me die! God responds I sent help repeatedly and you sent them away saying "God will save Me"

Religion and morality often confound. If looked at from a purely cultural perspective the theory of evolution applied to religion would indicate there is a competetive advantage to religion and seemingly unreasonable moral belief. It makes close quarter, large population confinement over rule the agressive nature animals express when they find themselve part of a large crowd with less than optimal space. It allows cooperation when there ought to be competition. It is why the Spanish defeated the Aztecs.

Either God exists or he does not. Science can not answer this question.

Not all who believe in God and Christ fall into the 6,000 year dinasours perished in the flood creation story.

I believe the creation story in Genesis tells us how god transformed man from beast. He breathed the spirit into him. Eating the fruit allowed Adam to know good from evil. Animals do not know they have done wrong inately. Without the knowledge of good and evil questions about Gods morality would be pointless. The real question is not why does God allow suffering, buy why does God allow us to suffer from the knowledge of it?

Gods traits are these:

Omnipowerful

Omnipresent

Omniscient

Science attempts to duplicate these properties.

Unifield particle theory

Internet

Babel all over again.

If science can prove life from amino acid improved by competetive pressure into ever increasing complexity, why couldn't God have done so first?

First cause is a philisophical question, not a scientific one.