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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  Brainfloss

  TWM now lets address the topic.--

  You are right I cannot Prove that there is no god. I certainly have not examined the teachings of every god that man has worshipped over time.

  But if there is a god who requires that you believe in him for salvation ( whatever that means to you) , why not give some compelling evidence to mankind, or screw mankind why not give some compelling evidence to me I have certainly given an honest effort searching. He allegedly gave us the Bible but the Bible doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Garden of eden, flood. 40 years wandering in the dessert. The list goes on. Even if science has been deceived by the devil why were the people that lived thousands of years ago allowed to see miracles and tangeble evidence of god but we must rely on faith alone. It's backwards there understanding of the world would have been more likely to let faith be their guide. Surely god knew that science would say that man was far older then eden. That the animals we have today couldn't be here from a worldwide flood just a few thousand years ago. He knew that there would be no evidence of hundreds of thousands of people lost in the desert for 40 years. And whether or not science is right or the devil is blinding mans eyes, why do ancient people get to see god and we don't.

  is that perfect justice, wisdom, and power , above all is that perfect love?

  So yes I am an Athiest. I don't have to prove that there is no god to you or anyone. If some philosopher wants to analyze my thought process and say it is flawed so be it but I gave it a fair try I dedicated my life to the search for evidence of god for 40+ years and what I got was cut off from most of my family for questioning something that even the leaders can't supply answers to.

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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  No in much the same way as I read Hawkings to see what he has concluded from his research, I searched your quotes to examine their origin. Unsure stated that he was exhausted and disheartened form this exchange. I thought he might to look at it from a fresh perspective an examination of your claims by others.

  Admittadly fear is what I used to feel. 40 years of trying to worship a god that would not reveal himself. A book of contradictory riddles that allow those who claim to understand them, to minipulate and control others, abandoning completely those who ask questions, they have no answers to. They break up families,they cover up abuse, they deny medical care, they limit education all in the name of a god who IS LOVE. Fear? No not fear. Dredging up the past? Ha! To your god a day is a 1000 years so 2008 is not a very deep dredge and, frankly the argument is the same on your side in those old posts, So what are you afraid of.

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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  Brainfloss

  Unsure

  if this discussion has left you unsatisfied here are two other spots where towerwatchman has previously posted the exact same language as the opening op and it has been rebutted. Once as poster TWM and once as RENE.

  http://www.provingthenegative.com/2008/05/another-way-to-prove-negative.html?m=1

  http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2009/03/futility-of-debating-religious_10.html?m=1
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  Brainfloss

  My point is, if you want to convince people to believe in god, fine have at it. It just seems counter productive to direct those following the debate to turn their attention to a genius who has studied the origin of the universe for a lifetime, possibly one of the most respected physicists in history in order to back up a claim and then discount his conclusion.

  That very method of argument caused me to become an Athiest. You likely will not convince an Athiest to believe in god most were exposed to god growing up and for whatever reason started looking into his existance.

  I'm not sure what your motives are. Are You one of jehovahs witnesses? Otherwise why worry if others believe in god or not.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  Brainfloss

  No deceit. It's just that on a few occasions in this topic you have put forward Hawking as an expert, citing his work to prove athieism is wrong. The expert you cite is a self proclaimed Athiest. If he is indeed the expert you say possibly you are misunderstanding his work.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  Brainfloss

  "BEFORE WE UNDERSTAND SCIENCE, IT IS NATURAL TO BELIEVE THAT GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE. BUT NOW SCIENCE OFFERS A MORE CONVINCING EXPLANATION. WHAT I MEANT BY 'WE WOULD KNOW THE MIND OF GOD' IS, WE WOULD KNOW EVERYTHING THAT GOD WOULD KNOW, IF THERE WERE A GOD, WHICH THERE ISN'T. I'M AN ATHEIST."

  STEPHEN hawking

  
  

  probably best not to quote him to prove existance of god.
  
  
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  Generation Teaching Hall of Shame chart

  by truthseeker in

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  this is a much simpler chart and replaces the old one which was getting too difficult to maintain.. direct link: http://oi68.tinypic.com/voy2qs.jpg.

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  MARKING TO PRINT LATER
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  SHUNNING - Unchristian Psychological Torture

  by EdenOne in

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  some time ago, i wrote an extensive article on shunning and published it on my website.

  since that website had views on doctrinal matters that no longer reflect my current stand, i took the website down.

  however, my views on this matter are still current, and for the benefit of everyone here, i'm going to post the article here.

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  Brainfloss

  marking for later thanks
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  Happy Thanksgiving!

  by Oubliette in

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  happy thanksgiving everyone!

  i know that we are an international group here and that thanksgiving is an american holiday (and not even all of us in the us celebrate it), but i thought it would be nice to have a thread dedicated to sharing the many things we have to be thankful for: .

  i am thankful for: .

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  Brainfloss

  I am thankful for TRIP TOE FAN night night.

  Happy Thanksgiving