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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

Brainfloss

TWM cites

Extra Biblical Evidence supporting the life. death, and Resurrection of Jesus.

come on lets not insult one another these very references have been long ago and widely discredited. A veteran debater such as you,I have tracked your work going back nearly 10 years and suspect much more,can do much better than this. I have used these references myself when arguing your side of the matter and I at the time was a babe in the woods. This forum is made up of primarily x jehovahs witnesses who have been shunned by their families,lost their homes, had their lives completely turned upside down by their doubts about religion. We in large part have done the research .

You say--

The historical evidence for the life, death and resurrection of Jesus is overwhelming.

The evidence you pose is hardly overwhelming. The evidence you pose is flimsy at best.

Please overwhelm us with the evidence

Brainfloss

205

Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

by towerwatchman in

mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

Brainfloss

TWM says

Ever heard of a typo?

I believe we will have to agree to disagree that the context of the discussion and the timing of the insult i.e. BRAIN LOSS do not point to typo. Again I cannot prove it, same as with existance of god. I do however know what I believe.

Here is why

in our limited exchanges I have never been ugly or out of line.

prior to this instance neither had you

you claim to be engaging in this forum for Christian reasons. Notice your lack of response to my apparent lost sheep attitude

The only time a typo of this sort appears is in the context that it appeared-- frustration at past being as you say DREDGED UP

response in this thread is snarky ever hear of a typo ? Rather than the Christian response SORRY

Brain loss

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Mathematically Measuring Evolution.

by towerwatchman in

mathematically measuring evolution.. when judging relationships in terms of morphological characteristics we will always be bound by the subjective.

morphologically one cannot exactly measure the distance between two organisms strictly in mathematical terms.

using the standard method of taxonomy we cannot quantify the difference between a horse and a mouse, or know which is closer mouse to cat, or mouse to fish.

Brainfloss

TWM says

seems the most Atheist can do is attack character. So much for a science, logic and reason based world view. You act more like an antiquated superstitious religion. Come back when you want to discuss facts.

Seems a bit ironic coming from the one who referred to me as BRAIN LOSS on page 14 of the op about Atheism being self defeating.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

Brainfloss

315

Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

Brainfloss

TWM now lets address the topic.--

You are right I cannot Prove that there is no god. I certainly have not examined the teachings of every god that man has worshipped over time.

But if there is a god who requires that you believe in him for salvation ( whatever that means to you) , why not give some compelling evidence to mankind, or screw mankind why not give some compelling evidence to me I have certainly given an honest effort searching. He allegedly gave us the Bible but the Bible doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Garden of eden, flood. 40 years wandering in the dessert. The list goes on. Even if science has been deceived by the devil why were the people that lived thousands of years ago allowed to see miracles and tangeble evidence of god but we must rely on faith alone. It's backwards there understanding of the world would have been more likely to let faith be their guide. Surely god knew that science would say that man was far older then eden. That the animals we have today couldn't be here from a worldwide flood just a few thousand years ago. He knew that there would be no evidence of hundreds of thousands of people lost in the desert for 40 years. And whether or not science is right or the devil is blinding mans eyes, why do ancient people get to see god and we don't.

is that perfect justice, wisdom, and power , above all is that perfect love?

So yes I am an Athiest. I don't have to prove that there is no god to you or anyone. If some philosopher wants to analyze my thought process and say it is flawed so be it but I gave it a fair try I dedicated my life to the search for evidence of god for 40+ years and what I got was cut off from most of my family for questioning something that even the leaders can't supply answers to.

brainfloss

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

Brainfloss

No in much the same way as I read Hawkings to see what he has concluded from his research, I searched your quotes to examine their origin. Unsure stated that he was exhausted and disheartened form this exchange. I thought he might to look at it from a fresh perspective an examination of your claims by others.

Admittadly fear is what I used to feel. 40 years of trying to worship a god that would not reveal himself. A book of contradictory riddles that allow those who claim to understand them, to minipulate and control others, abandoning completely those who ask questions, they have no answers to. They break up families,they cover up abuse, they deny medical care, they limit education all in the name of a god who IS LOVE. Fear? No not fear. Dredging up the past? Ha! To your god a day is a 1000 years so 2008 is not a very deep dredge and, frankly the argument is the same on your side in those old posts, So what are you afraid of.

brainfloss

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

Brainfloss

Unsure

if this discussion has left you unsatisfied here are two other spots where towerwatchman has previously posted the exact same language as the opening op and it has been rebutted. Once as poster TWM and once as RENE.

http://www.provingthenegative.com/2008/05/another-way-to-prove-negative.html?m=1

http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2009/03/futility-of-debating-religious_10.html?m=1

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

Brainfloss

My point is, if you want to convince people to believe in god, fine have at it. It just seems counter productive to direct those following the debate to turn their attention to a genius who has studied the origin of the universe for a lifetime, possibly one of the most respected physicists in history in order to back up a claim and then discount his conclusion.

That very method of argument caused me to become an Athiest. You likely will not convince an Athiest to believe in god most were exposed to god growing up and for whatever reason started looking into his existance.

I'm not sure what your motives are. Are You one of jehovahs witnesses? Otherwise why worry if others believe in god or not.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

Brainfloss

No deceit. It's just that on a few occasions in this topic you have put forward Hawking as an expert, citing his work to prove athieism is wrong. The expert you cite is a self proclaimed Athiest. If he is indeed the expert you say possibly you are misunderstanding his work.

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Atheism = self defeating.

by towerwatchman in

atheism = self defeating.

first may we define our terms.

the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

Brainfloss

"BEFORE WE UNDERSTAND SCIENCE, IT IS NATURAL TO BELIEVE THAT GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE. BUT NOW SCIENCE OFFERS A MORE CONVINCING EXPLANATION. WHAT I MEANT BY 'WE WOULD KNOW THE MIND OF GOD' IS, WE WOULD KNOW EVERYTHING THAT GOD WOULD KNOW, IF THERE WERE A GOD, WHICH THERE ISN'T. I'M AN ATHEIST."

STEPHEN hawking

probably best not to quote him to prove existance of god.