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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty in
1. jw
2. experiences
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
PelicanBeach

Cofty,

1. Humans do bad things too

What has caused more needless deaths? Natural disasters or wars, famines and disease caused by human greed?

Best to put the point in context don't you think?

I wrote:

"I’m certain that in Jesus’ day there were many natural disasters occurring in many parts of the earth. Hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, erupting volcanoes went on as usual. His message and life’s work was not about preventing these natural events taking place in his day.

"It is the same with God. What has caused more needless deaths? Natural disasters or wars, famines and disease caused by human greed? But we want God to fix all our hurts for us even those we cause ourselves? Poor us…we war and pollute and destroy the earth but God allows the winds and the earth to have its way with us, what a travesty that is! "

The first paragraph was responding to natural disasters and why it is God does not stop them. You did see that right? The second was an attempt to put things in perspective and to address the irony in objecting to God not saving us from natural disaster while we at the same time are destroying the earth. And you well know that the crying face was NOT about my reaction to suffering. You chose to distort that for whatever reason popped into your brain.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty in
1. jw
2. experiences
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
PelicanBeach

Cofty,

Don't why you're sighing. It's your choice. I disagreed with your summary so you're choosing to repost what I wrote. Fine but don't understand why that requires a "sigh" as if I am the one who is causing you to do it. It's your thread do as you will. Sighing.......myself!
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty in
1. jw
2. experiences
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
PelicanBeach

Cofty,

"Is that a fair summary?"

No of course not. And I doubt that you actually believe that, well, I hope your smater than that at least.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty in
1. jw
2. experiences
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
PelicanBeach

Cofty,

I doubt we have ever had a thread on natural evil that wasn't hijacked by believers who would rather distract everybody with a question more to their preference.

Atheists hijack religious discussions all the time.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty in
1. jw
2. experiences
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
PelicanBeach

Bohm,

Thanks, I will.

Pelican
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty in
1. jw
2. experiences
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
PelicanBeach

Billy,

"Typical of your meaningless word games. This is more of your typical attempt to change the discussion to meaningless semantics to dodge the fact that you worship a savage Bronze Age god that couldn't protect his petty tribe then, and can't protect the billions of his followers from each other today."

Thanks, that made my laugh. Yep, you're right Billy.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty in
1. jw
2. experiences
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
PelicanBeach

Bohm,

I hope you are willing to accept a similar statement made by a religious person you happen to disagree with.

Absolutely. I believe everyone has the right to their own beliefs or non-belief. But when a believer or non-believer uses ridicule and insults to get their point across (not you Bohm) I am quite able and ready to toss the ball right back as I did on this thread. A few years ago I spent time reading Dawkins and watching his videos. What turned me off was his childish manner. He insisted on using ridicule and grossly exaggerated put downs to get his point across. What that told me was that though he was well educated he did not learn a thing about intelligent discussion. On the other hand Noam Chomsky and other well educated atheists do not need to resort to such childish antics to get their point across.

Cofty's pic is designed, imo, to end discussion. It throws mud in the hope it will stick.

I apologize for what appears to be rant.

Thanks for the discussion, Bohm.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty in
1. jw
2. experiences
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
PelicanBeach

Billy,

Did you see Cofty respond to my post verbally or did you see him post a pic which distorted what I wrote?

Believe what you will.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty in
1. jw
2. experiences
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
PelicanBeach

Bohm,

I'm comfortable with my Christian answers and beliefs. When I wrote, "it is what it is" I meant that though others may disagree or not understand there is little I can do about that: it is what it is- meaning that's my belief and my stand.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty in
1. jw
2. experiences
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
PelicanBeach

Cofty,

An out of context remark. Are you sure you've left the JWs?