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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  The point being that when you avail the purchase or ownership of semiautomatics to the general public, you are essentially making the devastation greater for a potential massacre event.

  I don't think this is correct at all. First of all if I was gong to do a mass shooting... I would use a shot gun not a semiautomatic rifle/handgun. Also the worst mass murders of all time had nothing to do with guns. Stuff like fertilizer, box cutters, or even gasoline and a match have proven to be MUCH more effective than firearms.
  
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  I just noticed your reference to Oregon.... okay fair enough. However this movement didn't have the support of the local population, and just had few people involved in it at all.

  How quickly you forget about a very similar situation from Nevada a while back. You might feel that the Bundy's where wrong and the government was right, that is fine I don't want to argue that point. However in this situation they had the local populations support, sheriff support, and LOTS of armed men. In this situation the government DID back down. The people got to defend what they thought was their right, and everybody went home safe and sound.
  
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  little_Socrates

  You notice in the amendment it links "militia" and the right of the people to bare arms. In no way do I believe that the founders of the constitution meant the right only to extend to side arms. Weapons of war where meant to be included. Private ownership of large weapons of war was not that uncommon at least until civil war era. Your question becomes nonsensical when you talk about modern weapon systems simply due to the costs involved. Even Bill Gates probably couldn't afford to buy and operate an aircraft carrier.

  I have a counter question for you.... Can you point to any part of the constitution that would grant the government the power to limit the peoples right in this regard?
  
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  Prescription Drugs and the Fruitage of the Spirit?

  by Luther bertrand in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone have a meaningful response to the following question/points: the fruitage of the spirit found at gal.

  5:22: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, mildness, kindness.

  goodness, faith and self-control, in many way for many people can be increased through the use of anti-anxiety, anti-depressants, and a host of other pharma's.

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  The way I see it, at most those drugs help some people function in more socially acceptable ways. I don't think they are capable of giving people real feelings of Love joy peace ext.
  
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  Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.

  by James Mixon in

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  san bernardino california.

  up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.

  disabilities.

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  There are two facts at play here...

  First it seems as though so much of the craziness on the world stage is coming from Muslims.
  

  And secondly we all know most Muslims are not terrorists. They just want to live a peaceful life with a different culture and religion than our own.

  I will be honest here... It is very difficult to reconcile those two thoughts in my head. It is hard not to be biased against the whole religion. How do we tell the two groups apart?
  
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  Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.

  by James Mixon in

  1. social
  2. current

  san bernardino california.

  up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.

  disabilities.

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  sloppyjoe... the point is that guy had a choice. He did what he felt was best for himself at the time. It also helps to confirm that most concealed carry holders are very responsible and don't just go off half caulked. Apparently no one else there had a choice. Their only option was to hide and hope for the best.
  

  If you had to go through the same ordeal... would you honestly prefer NOT to be armed?
  
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  Hypothetical question. There is no more guns on our streets, would the crime rate go down?

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it would eliminate drive by's (gangs).

  bank robbery.

  ( handing the bank teller a note, this is stick up without a gun).

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  I can imagine a world with less guns as being a safer place.

  However I think the push towards gun laws are misguided. I don't think they will accomplish what the proponents expect.

  Making something illegal =/= getting rid of it entirely.(sometimes it has the opposite effect)
  
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  Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.

  by James Mixon in

  1. social
  2. current

  san bernardino california.

  up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.

  disabilities.

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  sloppyjoe2 before we answer that question... can you do us a favor? Can you define for us what exactly an assault rifle is?
  
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  Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.

  by James Mixon in

  1. social
  2. current

  san bernardino california.

  up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.

  disabilities.

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  sloppyjoe2 there is absolutely no evidence that the assualt weapon ban was effective. Non at all.

  It was a political solution to get rid of scary looking black military style weapons. It had nothing to do with how guns functioned... just how they looked.
  
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  Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.

  by James Mixon in

  1. social
  2. current

  san bernardino california.

  up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.

  disabilities.

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  little_Socrates

  Folks this case has nothing to do with gun control laws... If they where willing to take the risk of manufacturing explosives... gun control laws would not have stopped them.

  Why don't gun control laws keep people in France safe?