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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

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  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  little_Socrates

  If you want to use a car for lawful purposes you would buy it.   However if you want to use it for unlawful purposes you would be much more likely to steal it.  For the most part injuries caused by driving are by lawful drivers that want to obey the law.  Traffic safety laws help those people drive safer.   Gun violence is caused by lawless people.   Those people are already violating the law to do what they want, new laws won't change their behavior.
  

  
  

  I didn't specifically say allowing firearms on airplanes would make them safer.   I said that you would eliminate some problems while increasing other problems.   I said you would stop all hijacking but there would be a few more random shootings.  I really don't know what the net result would be.

  
  

  How do YOU propose to take guns out of the hands of criminals?
  

  
  

  
  
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. current

  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  little_Socrates

  "the entailing result is that there will be more violence and accidents occurring by use of those possessed gun."

  
  

  So do we ban everything that might lead to more violence or accidents?  See my earlier post about causes of preventable deaths...   we deal with numerous things in our society that are very dangerous.   Driving being the biggest one.   Yet we don't fear those things but for some reason many have an irrational fear of fire arms.
  

  
  

  The constitutional right to bear arms is not a law per say.   The right to bare arms is a universal one of all people.    The constitution simply recognizes this right and puts it in writing.
  

  I believe in individual rights.   I believe every man and women are sovereign individuals.  The only authority the state has is through consent of these individuals.  I believe these principals are what made America great. 

  Many here are collectivists.   They think the state and the society are more important than the indivual.  The problem with this view is that at some point YOUR desires, your rights, the way you live your life will be at odds with society.  If you don't fight for other peoples rights nobody will be there to fight for yours.

  I can support gun control as long as it meets these two criteria:   First it can not limit peaceful law abiding peoples access to their rights. Secondly it needs to objectively, and quantifiably reduce gun violence by the criminal element in our society.    Seldom do proposed gun laws do this.
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  Have you ever paid for a bible study?

  by little_Socrates in

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  one of the funniest claims made by jw's is that they offer free bible studies.

  i have taken countless bible studies and i have lead a fair amount myself.

  never once was money involved.. sure if you want an academic level study you will have to pay for it(i am sure though i will not be getting a scholarly level study with local jw).

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  little_Socrates

  One of the funniest claims made by JW's is that they offer free bible studies.   I have taken countless bible studies and I have lead a fair amount myself.   Never once was money involved.

  Sure if you want an academic level study you will have to pay for it(I am sure though I will not be getting a scholarly level study with local JW).   Also I have payed for materials to be used in a study.    However I have never payed for the study itself.  As a matter of fact I think the vast majority of spirit minded people that I know would consider it a sacrilege to pay for a bible study.
  

  Do they really think we are so small minded that we will see "free" and then just demand to have it because it is free?  Have you ever actually payed for a study?
  
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. current

  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  little_Socrates

  The problem with most gun control laws is that they limit the access of peaceful law abiding citizens while doing little about the criminal element.

  It is about playing to the fears of the populace while only giving lip service to the real issues at hand.

  A perfect example is the assault weapon ban.  First of all the VAST majority of gun crimes are committed with hand guns NOT rifles.  Even still the ban had to do with how a gun looked (playing on fears again) and not on how it functioned.   There is little evidence that the assault weapon band limited crime or that crime went up after it expired.
  

  
  
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. current

  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  little_Socrates

  For comparison sake lets compare causes of preventable death....

  126,000 people die every year from various injuries

  106,000 people die from bad medicine reactions

  80,000 people die from hospital acquired infections
  

  36,000 people die from poisoning
  

  33,000 people die from traffic accidents
  

  27,000 people die from falls

  20,000 people die from hospital errors
  

  10-14,000 people die from gun related homicide

  Where is the called to ban Doctors?  Medicine?  Cars? Ladders? Poison?   All of them kill more people every year than guns.
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. current

  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  little_Socrates

  The united states is much safer than it appears to be.   Yes we do have a gang problem.   The majority of gun crimes are related to this.   However almost half of all gun crimes happen in just 5 cities, LA Chi NY Philadelphia and HOU.
  

  
  

  If you have no associations with gangs and you don't happen to live in those 5 cities you are safer than you are in the majority of the developed world.   Yes in certain specific places gun crime is very high but in the vast majority of the country you are VERY safe.
  
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. current

  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  little_Socrates

  Simon I whole hardheartedly agree that gun owners need to be held responsible.   The question is how would it have prevented this tragedy?  She paid the highest price for her decisions with her life.   Unfortunately the toddlers life is also messed up and that is very sad.
  

  
  

  Let me ask again short of an outright ban what gun control measures would have prevented this case?
  
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. current

  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  little_Socrates

  I think it would fair to say that people who carry personal guns with them haven't shown any factual proof that doing so protects them from violence.

  If I was as gun owner... why do I have to prove that owning a gun makes me safer? 

  If it makes me feel safer, it is my constitutional right.   End of discussion.  Others here want to limit constitutional rights.   The burden is on them to prove their case.

  
  Concealed Carry reduces crime

  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/chicago-crime-rate-drops-as-concealed-carry-gun-pe/?page=all

  http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/18661-study-suggests-more-concealed-carry-permits-less-crime

  
  

  While it is difficult to prove that concealed carry reduces the crime rate,   there is NO evidence that allowing it increases the crime rate. People who fear guns assume if you give the population more guns you will automatically get more crime.  The evidence suggests the opposite.
  

  
  
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. current

  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  little_Socrates

  "All these individuals enjoying their rights are why few enjoy the right to true freedom, peace and safety. Community and civilization trumps individual rights when those rights so often negatively impact the life and liberty of others."

  
  

  I fail to see how a peaceful law abiding firearm owner negatively effects the life of the greater community.

  
  

  I also fail to see how passing laws would keep guns out of the hands of criminals.    As it is even with our current regulations for buying firearms I would bet that the VAST majority of crimes where committed with illegally acquired guns.
  
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  Toddler accidentally shoots woman dead in Idaho Walmart

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. current

  a woman has been shot dead by a 2-year-old in a wal-mart store in idaho.. .

  the 29-year-old was shopping with four children in the store in hayden, when the two-year-old reached into her handbag and fired the weapon, shooting her dead.. initial reports suggested the woman was the boy's mother, but the police have said that this is as yet unclear how they are related.. source; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/toddler-accidentally-shoots-woman-in-idaho-walmart-9950847.html.

  i've nothing to add to my past comments on americas psychotic relationship with guns.

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  little_Socrates

  An Airplane is private property.   The owner of that property can deny you access to said property for what ever reason they want (including you carrying a gun).

  However if you don't let me carry my gun (I don't personally own one but i believe in our rights regardless) YOU have a responsibility for my safety.   Airlines do a reasonable job with security.    If I walk into a courthouse, I understand I have to check my firearm at the door but again I can trust that I will be secure there.   However haven't you noticed that virtually all these mass shootings have happened in "gun free zones"?   I think the owner of a property or business takes on a HUGE responsibility when they put up a guns free zone sign.

  While I also have right to free speech I realize that that right might be abridged while I am patronizing a business or I am on private property.   I can't just walk in to a store and start spouting off the craziest nonsense.   If I don't like I don't have to go to that store.  However when I am in public I am free to say what ever I want.

  You might think I am crazy but if we where allowed to carry firearms on airplanes I don't think we would ever see another hijacking.   Yes occasionally individuals might be gunned down but you wouldn't see mass shootings or hijackings.

  Guns are not the problem.   The problem is our rowdy violent American culture.   Even if you took all of our guns away people would still find ways to be violent.  As a matter of fact if you goal is to kill lots of people quickly, guns aren't particularly effective.   Automobiles or even a gas tank and matches are much better ways of killing lots of people.   As a matter of fact our worst cases of mass murder in this country where committed with incendiary devices and bombs.