Posts by Viviane

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A question for Athiests.

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i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

Viviane

According to the definition I have given above, in Logic, a hypothesis is the antecedent of a proposition. The antecedent is a premise. It can be false or true. It is what we may assume. If I assume that "God exists", it is a valid hypothesis in Logic, though it could not be scientific. Read examples of hypotheses in a book of Logic.

And you gave no proposition. "God exists" alone, even in logic, isn't a hypothesis. "God exists and doesn't interfere" STILL doesn't have a proposition according to your own definition. It's still just speculation.

I do find it humorous that you've retreated into cut-n-paste jobs from websites that you think may support the that your speculation may in some way be a logical rather than scientific hypothesis (it's not, of course) and, to bolster your claim, quote Dawkins talking about a scientific hypothesis. It makes me wonder, with all the inability to explain, in your own words, any of this logic or science stuff, if you actually understand it or whether you are just google searching for anything that sounds like it may somehow support you.

101

A question for Athiests.

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

Viviane

You are correct. Many times, I have seen other ppl on this site, who are atheists, say that education will 'cure' a belief in G*d. Anyone who says that, is being intellectually dishonest (ie, they are LIARS).

Can you cite a specific example?

101

A question for Athiests.

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

Viviane

Viviane I want to show you that the hypothesis "God exists" needs not to be TRUE so as to get a True implication, if the consequent were TRUE. We know that God does not interfere in our life, this can be proven by observation. So it does not matter if God exists in order to get my implication true, because we know that the consequent is true. See the table bellow:

I said nothing about the truth of your speculation, simple that you don't have a hypothesis. I'm not sure what showing a logical implication table. It doesn't help that you don't have a hypothesis.

Also, again, proof is for math, not for speculating on God. It absolutely cannot be proven that God doesn't interfere in our life. Even if you DID have a working hypothesis or had constructed a valid logical implication table, that alone would defy even the possibility of falsifiability.

So, still just speculation.

101

A question for Athiests.

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

Viviane

You are wrong, because you exclude that a hypothesis can be also a speculation. For instance:

According to the above definition, I repeat what I said:

So we have if P => Q, where P is the hypothesis (God exists) and Q is the consequent (he does not interfere in our life).

Of course I'm not. You have no consequent, no proposition. You spent a lot of time researching that only to forget the "then" part. What you have is "I speculate this undetected creature could have this property". It's just antecedant with nothing else. It's still not a hypethesis, it's just speculation.

101

A question for Athiests.

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

Viviane

And as far as me "sounding like" someone you apparently insulted, you and your friends all sound the same to me.

I always thought he sounded sexy. In my head, at least.

101

A question for Athiests.

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

Viviane

So, Paris, you're retracting your general claim that atheists claim theists are uneducated? If not, can you provide specific examples of that claim being made?

101

A question for Athiests.

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

Viviane

I get irritated with atheists when they consistently say theists have no education, do not know anythng about science, and are not as smart as they are. Its a very jw way of dividing people.

Who, specifically, is saying theists in general have no education? Can you be specific? I can provide tons of specific examples of specific people here that lack a solid foundational education in science. There are also a lot of atheists that do also.

101

A question for Athiests.

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

Viviane

Hypothesis: an idea that attempts to explain something but has not yet been tested or proved to be correct

Exactly. A key component of a hypothesis is attempting to explain something. What is that something? What is the observation you are attempting to explain? What measurement? What phonomenon? What, specifically, is the "something" that needs explanation? Also, that isn't even a scientific definition you've provided, proofs only exist in math. Testing is also mentioned. How would you test your speculation? What are the consequenses if your idea is correct?

You've not got a hypothesis, but speculation.

101

A question for Athiests.

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

Viviane

My hypothesis is that God exists, but he decided not to interfere in our life. He just wants us to evolve by ourselves. If there is a life after our death, we can know it for sure after dying.

That's not a hypothesis, that's speculation.

If there is a judgment after our death, this judgment could not be based on our religious beliefs, because the hypothetical true God does not support any religion. Accordingly, for God, it does not matter if you are musilm, a member of a satanic cult , that is, a member of JW.ORG.

Also speculation. A hypothesis includes testability.

101

A question for Athiests.

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

i am now an athiest myself, but i think being an athiest its a bit like having a faith.

some get very hooked on it and "preash" others (like me) simply get with with there lifes.

i am sure that some athiests like to have discussions about the non existence of " god" in a similar way that "thisists" do about the existence of god.

Viviane

No worries, Outlaw!

Oubliette, true enough. I love it when I learn a new word.