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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  I can't think of one, GMJALMT. Can you name one? Did you come here to say nothing? If they all came true, this should be easy for you.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Viviane

  We simply do NOT KNOW why God decides to not intervene and we can simplu express POSSIBLE views, which is what I have done.

  Your answer is, as I said, "It's a mystery". That's been covered extensively on this thread.

  The thing is, proctect them from what? suffering? pain? death? all things that are part of the natural process of life and existence.

  In the Christian world view, those are things that God set in motion. This can be reduced down to "protect them from himself". It's a failed argument.

  In short we want God to make is immortal, we want no pain or suffering and want God to intervene so there is no pain and suffering and death, ever.

  Why don't you address the question rather than attempt to tell other people what they want?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  GMJALMT, you are making a theological argument and preaching. This is a historical discussion. Since you brought it up, though, what specific OT prophecies came true?

  As a side conversation, I am curious how you think the gospels were for Israel since they were written by Christians and in Greek.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  You might want to add another criterion for what you consider to be a valid prophecy. This one seems obvious, but it disqualifies a huge number of bible prophecies:

  The prophecy must be verifiably recorded prior to the event that it predicts.

  I thought about that, but it automatically disqualifies every prophecy I can think of. I didn't want to start out with a big giant "No".
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  GMJALT, specifically, outside of the temple conversation which I'll address momentarily, which prophecies came true?

  In the case of the temple, it had been destroyed by invasion before, Jerusalem was currently occupied and there was a general spirit of belief in apocalypse, judgement and coming destruction for both Jew and Gentile. What specific knowledge was required to predict an event that had happened before under similiar circumstances? Why wasn't Jesus specific on who would do it and exactly when?
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  Do You Think The Islamic State Will Launch An Attack On US Soil In The Near Future?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i think so.

  they rejoice over celebrating the 9/11 attacks..

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  Viviane

  I truly believe The Muslim Brotherhood thru CAIR has inflitrated this country and also this WH Administration. It's only a matter of time before something bad happens. And IMO the Muslim in Chief has allowed this country to be in danger of 9/11 type attacks.

  Fortunately you aren't in charge of anything.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true. I've not personally seen a prophecy that I would consider as having come true. I would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:

  1. Specific details for what will happen

  2. Specific dates for what will happen

  3. Special knowledge required (i.e., it doesn't take special knowledge to predict something will happen when it has happened before and the circumstances are similiar or to simply describe what is happening and say "more of this will happen")

  4. The event happened EXACTLY as predicted

  The other side of that, also, are failed prophecies. If someone made a failed prophecy, should we look at other prophecies they made as guesses or special knowledge from God?

  Do you think any prophecies specifically and accurately came true? If so, why?
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  i was happy before i woke up

  by losingit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  idk if waking up has been good for me.

  i still have almost no friends.

  im still waiting to graduate this december to qualify n b certified for my job.

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  Viviane

  I get treated horribly by my ex

  "Ex" being the key word here ... why are they treating you any particular way at all?

  And I'm still paying the consequences of failing at being a Witness.

  That's like failing at being a jerk.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Viviane

  Theists make grandiose knowledge claims about god until they are asked a difficult question.

  Or an extremely simple one, like "What is spirit made of?"