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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

It's absolutely not off topic here at all, there's literally no other reason to be discussing otherwise.

No now you presume to know my mind, what my reasons are AND to preach to me? My, such arrogance wrapped in ignorance.

It's off topic.

You're focused on this tiny subject within a whole and missing the entire point.

I kept the topic narrow to avoid arrongant preachers.

Trying to discredit the prophecies serves no other purpose than to discredit the bible, and therefore god, without which there is literally no point to life other than to live and to die.

I am not discrediting anything. I asked specifically for prophecies that came true. You don't get to be arrogance, preachy, an utterly wrong know-it-all and then blame me when you can't stand and deliver. Please take your preaching somewhere else.

You take away the purpose of life and all we are are animals with no hope. That is the real discussion happening here.

That's not at all the discussion. Take your preaching somewhere else. If you know of any specific Biblical prophecies that required special knowledge and came true, please share. That's the discussion.

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

City under discussion: Jerusalem (and its temple). Time period: After seventy weeks of years. Destroyer: Titus and his Roman legions. That's quite specific.

It didn't say Rome, it gave a "prophetic number" that doesn't match historical timelines, the Messiah did not get cut off with nothing, the end wasn't by flood, there wasn't a war until the end, etc.

What part of this is vague?

Nothing. It's just a later addition written after the fact of the events.

The reality is it's all speculation and can therefore be wrong, none of it is certain - and none of it has to be because that was never the primary purpose or point of the Bible.

It's not all speculation. The "point" of the Bible is something you are free to start a thread on, it's off topic here.

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

Try this one: When was the book of Daniel written? Most modern scholars prefer ca. 165 BCE or earlier. A few Daniel MSS were found amongst the DSS dated 200 BCE – 68 CE.

It fails the test of specificity. It has no names, dates or specific events described. The reading you suggest is the reader inserting events into the text rather than the text describing those events.

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

Many of the "prophecies" Jesus "fullfilled" were pretty easy to accomplish, like riding a donkey, your mom simply claiming to be a virgin (did anyone physically check?) and other ones.

There is no physical test that can reliably test for virginity.

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

The prophecy of Cyrus has been verified as having been written long before his birth as well.

Citation required.

The prophecies about Jesus were all fullfilled by his own chosen actions, true. But the sheer number of them make it improbable that he'd be able to do it, let alone the fact that free will was always a variable - what if they actually acceptd Jesus and didn't put him to death?

What specific prophecy that mentions Jesus by name are you referring to?

The flood is a questionable one I suppose, but when you factor in that every culture in humanity has a legend about a global flood it makes it far less improbable. Why would such a story span across cultures that were even separated by the oceans?

That's not the point, but a decent guess would be because early civilizations had to live very close to water. They all also had gods that weren't Jehovah and Jesus. The evidence, in any event, says no global flood.

The fall of Jerusalem by Rome was foretold, and only those who listened to Christ's direction to, "Flee to the mountains" survived.

Where specifically, was the fall of Rome foretold, with specific details?

Finally, just as a general point of support for the authenticity of Jesus. Josephus was alive, and saw him in action.

Specifically where did Josephus say he "say him in action"?

Further, Daniel had his vision in which he saw the beasts which the angel then identified for him as certain world powers by name - this all came true, even down to the fine details of Alexander dying early and his kingdom being split in four.

This didn't exist in earlier versions of text (written in a different language and style by an unknown author, BTW). Not a prophecy but a clear later addition.

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

Viviane

Cute puppies well cared for make me feel compassion. Perhaps God should have smote them instead?

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

Moses Joe, were you being facetious or serious?

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

That's funny, the most ardent supporter of "prophecy" on this thread can't even name one.

I was hoping for more.

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

Oh, you might also want to disqualify prophecies that where fullfilled by one person's actions, if that person had prior knowledge of the prophecy (Jesus, I'm lookin at you - riding into Jerusalem on that donkey...)

That's an excellent point. Also, "prophecies" like in Daniel, where the earlier versions of the text don't contain the very specific "prophecies" that the later copies do, copies that only exist post-prediction. That is a case of clear retro-fitting of text to match events and is this NOT a prophecy.

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

There are four basic metrics that a prophecy has to meet:

1.) You have to be able to verify it was made before the event happened.

As I wrote earlier, I specifically excluded that one. For the purposes of this discussion, we are allowing that criteria as a given.