Posts by Viviane

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

Viviane

No, my argument was that there is NO compassion without suffering, which is a fact.

An observable verfiable fact? Citation, please. Please explain how, when I see a puppy at my local no-kill shelter that is fed, played with, given cet care and has toys and a warm place to sleep, I still feel compassion and want to take it home.

Even IF there no compassion without suffering, your argument is self-defeating. If there were no suffering, then there would be absolutely no need for compassion. The thing you say suffering helps us develop is ONLY needed because God allows the suffering his plans caused! You're right back to failing to connect the dots!

That some people choose to NOT be compassionte in the face of suffering does not change the fact that there is no compassion without suffering.

You've still not explained how the lack of compassion after suffering isn't a valid counterpoint.

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

As a non-believer I offer the following Psalm 111:7-9; the promise that god's word essentially will be enduring.

I offer this counter-point... which version approved by whom and how do we which, if any, are God's word?

Phizzy, that is an excellent post. Thanks!

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

Prophecy, apocalypticism, theology, are not about science. I think that's your problem.

That's the only way we would ever know if a prophecy came true.

1. Prophet says something specific (names, dates, places, events) will happen that he could not possibly hypothesize or know from available knowledge

2. Observe and see if that thing happens <- That's the science part

Rather try categorizing them under history (prophecy = history in advance), which you will find is not an exact "science" at all.

If it was history in advance it would be. History IS a science. You just said to no use science then said to use it!

Jesus Christ as king designate was paraded before the people (the end point of 69 weeks of years). A week later he was killed "with nothing for himself." It works for me, a brilliant prophecy that was indeed fulfilled in detail.

"Cut off with nothing for himself" doesn't imply "dead". It was all part of a plan whereby he would be King of Reality. The "prophecy" doesn't say what would happen, how it would happen, who it would happen to or the results. It's so vague it could mean a bartender cut him off. It literally isn't capable of being fulfilled in detail because there ARE NO DETAILS, except what the reader pushes back into the text.

Let's not concentrate on Archer's philosophy in life, rather note what he said, which is a prophecy in itself.

How is it a prophecy? In any event, modern archeology and science has proven him wrong. Much like you wouldn't rely on a dentist from 1940, it's time to update.

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

GMJALMT:

1. Required no special knowledge

2. Theological argument, not historical (and even your Bible contradicts itself on what happened)

3. Theological argument, not historical (and even your Bible contradicts itself on what happened)

4. Theological argument, not historical

5. Theological argument, not historical

6. Theological argument, not historical

7. Theological argument, not historical

8. Theological argument, not historical

9. Theological argument, not historical

Your fellow Christians are arguing with you about these things, I may consider them when you guys get them sorted out.

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

GMJALMT, you've provided nothing and have nothing. Why would you bother to participate if you have absolutely nothing to contribute?

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Where Will Jesus Come When He Comes?

by Cold Steel in

according to both christian and jewish eschatology, the messiah will come to jerusalem, where he will deliver the jews from hostile nations "round about.

"since the jehovah's witnesses and other adventists don't believe his coming will be literally fulfilled, but figuratively fulfilled, they simply believe he will return to the earth, where he will slay the wicked and the righteous will be caught up to meet him in the air.. first we have a christian declaration:.

and when [jesus] had spoken these things, while [the apostles] beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Viviane

So it WILL be in a guy! I knew it!

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US Air Force to Atheist: Say God in oath or dont re-enlist

by Dis-Member in

an atheist airman is being denied the ability to re-enlist in the us air force because he refuses to use the word god in his oath of office, according to the american humanist association (aha).. the unnamed member of the air force refused to take the oath containing so help me god, wanting a secular affirmation instead.

so he crossed out the phrase on his contract.

the airman was told by his superiors that he must swear to god or leave the air force, the aha said in a press release.

Viviane

You know exactly zero about what I mean or my life. Arrogance wrapped in ignorance.

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US Air Force to Atheist: Say God in oath or dont re-enlist

by Dis-Member in

an atheist airman is being denied the ability to re-enlist in the us air force because he refuses to use the word god in his oath of office, according to the american humanist association (aha).. the unnamed member of the air force refused to take the oath containing so help me god, wanting a secular affirmation instead.

so he crossed out the phrase on his contract.

the airman was told by his superiors that he must swear to god or leave the air force, the aha said in a press release.

Viviane

Right, because being forced to swear an oath against your religion or beliefs by the government is an little thing.

Save the lecture for someone that knows less about the military, making good decisions and principles than you.

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Where Will Jesus Come When He Comes?

by Cold Steel in

according to both christian and jewish eschatology, the messiah will come to jerusalem, where he will deliver the jews from hostile nations "round about.

"since the jehovah's witnesses and other adventists don't believe his coming will be literally fulfilled, but figuratively fulfilled, they simply believe he will return to the earth, where he will slay the wicked and the righteous will be caught up to meet him in the air.. first we have a christian declaration:.

and when [jesus] had spoken these things, while [the apostles] beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Viviane

I know. I'm horrible. Deliciously horrible.

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US Air Force to Atheist: Say God in oath or dont re-enlist

by Dis-Member in

an atheist airman is being denied the ability to re-enlist in the us air force because he refuses to use the word god in his oath of office, according to the american humanist association (aha).. the unnamed member of the air force refused to take the oath containing so help me god, wanting a secular affirmation instead.

so he crossed out the phrase on his contract.

the airman was told by his superiors that he must swear to god or leave the air force, the aha said in a press release.

Viviane

Yeah, advise people to sacrifice their principles for money. Sounds like a great way to live.