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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  In Jeremiah 30... The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord : “Thus says the Lord , the God of Israel: Write in a book all the words that I have spoken to you. For behold, days are coming, declares the Lord , when I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel and Judah, says the Lord , and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.”

  The UN did that, not Jehovah. They don't have all the land they had. Also, it's a secular nation with many Muslims and Christians living there.

  In Amos 9... I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God.

  Well, clearly that one can't be true, one day the sun will expand and turn everything on it to a crisp, so the "never" on that one fails.

  In Isaiah 11... He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

  Not all of the dispersed are there. Also, the UN re-established the nation of Israel, not Jehovah.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  I don't think it's even my criteria, jgnat. Those criteria, to me, simply seem a reasonable standard by which we could determine whether or not something was foretold.

  Simply predicting that something reasonable would happen isn't agood standard. For instance, I am posting this from an airplane. It's not a prophecy to predict that at some point this plane will be back on the ground.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  What specifically was in the prophecy and what specifically happened?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  A prophet is one who speak for God so a prophesy need not be about predicting the future.

  Do you have an example of someone confirmed by God to be a prophet making a prophesy? That will basically turn into a theological argument with no one able to prove their specific "God" so is really just an argument about whether God exists.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  Viv, after all we've been through, you're like a stuck record, specific names, dates and events. And I repeat, it would be impossible to get first hand knowledge of these things unless you have a time machine.

  Yet we do know things about history, specific names, dates, events, etc., just none of of Biblical prophecy. It's clearly not impossible to know what happened in the past.

  And the Council of Jamnia was your straw man (Phizzy also assisted there). Did you not read the quote from Prof. Kahle's book? You're right, it's not important, but you made an issue out of it.

  A straw man? You brought it up, so you made a straw man argument against what? Ifit's not important, why did you bring it up? Why, if you brought it up, would have an issue with someone commenting on it?

  But you were so sure of yourself, I thought you had proof, but actually you've only got the opinion of the person that wrote the Wikipedia article. What an anticlimax!

  I did provide proof. Reality is often not as exciting as fantasy. The guy made up the council, no proof has ever been found in the 143 years since he made it up.

  Since we clearly can know what happened in the past with specific names, dates and events recorded with no time machine needed, can anyone provide an example of a Biblical prophecy coming true exactly as foretold, having predicted specific names, dates and events?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Are you not following the thread?

  Of course I am. It's just that's I've said so many things, I wasn't sure which one confused you. Much like Biblical prophecy, you weren't specific and your reqest could have fit any number of posts.

  You are so sure of yourself, "an outright fabrication," a sweeping statement indeed, for which I need proof.

  I am sure of myself. Knowing the subject matter will do that to a person.

  Here you go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Jamnia

  We aren't debating whether or not certain councils happened, so don't try to detail the conversation with debate regarding this, please. It's a hypothesis based on scant evidence talking about something different than the hypothesis.

  The debate is whether or not there is a Biblical prophecy that came true with specific names, dates and events described with exact fulfillment.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  To which statement do you refer?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  Right, let's stick to the facts. Outright fabrication you say? Why am I waiting for the facts?

  You aren't waiting for facts. I never said anything about waiting for facts.

  Can you show me a single, specific prophecy detailing names, dates and events that came true EXACTLY as foretold?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  3. 
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  Viviane

  Viv, let's do some revision.

  Or we can can stick with the facts.

  Can you show me a single, specific prophecy detailing names, dates and events that came true EXACTLY as foretold? Regardless of what Josephus interpreted (citation required, BTW), he was still trying to say what it meant rather than let the text speak for itself.

  Daniel as Scripture: At the Council of Jamnia, held after the A.D. 70 fall of Jerusalem to discuss whether certain books should be maintained as Scripture, the place of Daniel was clearly secure. From what we know of the deliberations of the Jewish religious leadership, Daniel’s place in the canon was never even a matter of discussion.

  It cannot be pointed out enough, as Phizzy did, that the events you referred to are an outright fabrication and never happened.
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  Isn’t prayer materialistic?

  by Pinku in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  prayer is often an expression of an if-then deal that tacitly denies equal rights to the other party.

  the form and essence of most prayers go like this: if you do this favor to me, i will do this (pioneering, or put in more hours in the preaching) for you.

  and if not...well, then, too bad for you, god, because you didn't deliver as was clearly outlined in the contract.. this shows religion has failed in its primary duty of reconnecting (religare, latin) man with god and fellow humans; and ironically has led to numerous divisions and disunity!

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  Viviane

  He he will only answer those that have to do with your service to him.

  What if someone prays for something materialistic and it just happens to align with God's will?