Viviane

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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

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  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  Caedes, you seem like a good egg. It was a pleasure conversing with you.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  Bohm, I truly do hope the PM you sent me, the one where you said I was rude, nasty, silly, defective, a troll, having inflated self-confidence, not suited to teach and ignorant of anything other than the barest of high school math, I really hope that made you feel better.

  It really must sting you to have been taught about gravitation and shell theorem by one you regard in such low esteem. The pain will subside, I promise. I once held you in high regard for your knowledge and I thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for reminding me that education often does nothing to improve a person. You could not have written me a better message to show me what kind of person you are.

  I truly and sincerely hope you have a great day, week, month and rest of year and happy holidays.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  This is what I have shown in my above derivation. The gravitational field is a function that maps points in space to vectors in space. What is the gravitational field if not zero?

  What you have shown is the net effect is zero, not "no gravitational field".

  Disclaimer: I have a degree in physics

  That only furthers my surpise at your struggle to understand this.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  ou are free to insist there is still "gravity" inside it. I am free to insist there is an invisible dragon. From a newtonian POW both are equally undetectable.

  Of course you are. You're wrong, but free to be so.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  As I have made clear many times we should distinguish between the GR treatment of this subject and the newtonian treatment.

  You keep saying that, you've no said why. You're acting as if Newtonian physics means "net effect = nothing there".

  Now, to say there is no gravity in some area of space is not to deny that mass warp space in general. This ought be self-evident.

  As predicted, you're agreeing with me.

  Do we agree I have just demonstrated the gravitational field of a hollow shell vanish at all interior points of the shell? Do we agree this mean the acceleration of an object inside the shell will be zero?

  No. You didn't show that at all. You showed the net effect is zero, not that there is no gravitational field.

  Care to do the math in the relativistic case? (hint, use Birkhoffs theorem I wrote about on the previous page)

  Nope, I have better things to do and, frankly, that math is beyond my skills. How long did it take you to find Birkhoff's theorem with google? There's also no need to suggest I need a hint from you. Anyone that knows what Birkhoff's theorem is absolutely would know shell theorem. Don't pretend like you aren't googling stuff.

  Anyway, I WAS incorrect in something I said earlier. The net gravitational effect of any point inside the hollow sphere is zero. However, that does not, by ANY definition of gravitation or gravity, mean there is no gravity. I thank you sincerely for showing me that error in my understanding. An analogy would be to say that because you made $100 and had $100 in bills means you didn't earn any money.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  Excellent, you cooking?!

  I made pan sauteed chicken last night with a lemon,, butter, white wine and caper sauce last night, so... sure.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  In my mind defining no gravity as meaning "the gravitational field is zero" is a reasonable definition, however you are free to disagree and say the phrase "no gravity" by definition refer to one being infinitely far away from any mass.

  Except the NET gravitational effect is zero. That in no way means there is no gravity.

  Before any of the above is taken out of context i wish to add i am talking in the newtonian case.

  It still applies even in that case. It's simply more accurage in a reltavistic sense.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  I have already discussed the diference and similarity with the GR and newtonian situation in my other posts. I do not claim mass do not warp space in general. Please show me where I made that statement as I think it is very dishonest of you.

  And this is exactly why you are out of your depth. Saying "there is no gravity" is saying "mass doesn't warp space". It's not at all dishonest, you just don't truly grasp the subject.

  I have just proven this wrong by my previous post. please oh pretty please don't move the goalpost.

  Quite the contrary, you are now moving ever closer to saying the exact same thing I am. I predict it will take 10 more posts before you are agreeing with me and claiming I was wrong the entire time.

  And seriously, please stop pretending all these logical fallacies are happening. You've yet to show where a single one occured.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  The maths on that link is fairly straightforward and usefully it diagrammatically shows why your net force is zero. It isn't because there is no gravity it's because the forces are balanced.

  Winner winner, chicken dinner.
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  the flood, mammoths, elphants, and food.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my question is since it looks as though mammoths were alive after the flood and we know elephants are then how much food was needed to feed just these four animals for the time they were on the ark.

  also was the ark, 500 feet long, big enough to hold the amount of food needed for just these 4 animals.. .

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  Viviane

  Meanwhile, in the real world:

  2) If the body is a spherically symmetric shell (i.e., a hollow ball), no net gravitational force is exerted by the shell on any object inside, regardless of the object's location within the shell.

  Yeah, exactly, no NET force. If you can't grasp the idea of "not force" and compare that to "no NET force", I really can't help you. That's EXACTLY what I have been saying. Thanks for practically quoting me.