i noticed this during the wt study on sunday.. 1 cor 15:23: "but each one in his own proper order: christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the christ during his presence.
"the greek word for presence is "parousia", which needs no explanation here as to how wtbts views this word versus the rest of the world.. what i noticed was the striking contradiction made just a few verses later.. 1 cor 15:51,52: "look!
i tell you a sacred secret: we will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.
The scriptures are very clear that the rapture,or if you prefer snatching up,is real.
No they aren't. The rapture as believed in by fundamentalist Christians in the past 200 years is a relatively modern invention.
Paul is addressing Christians in Corinth who are, of course,alive. He says of them and himself, that they all wont fall alseep,or die,but instead of dieing and being resurrected they will be changed.
Paul was clearly wrong as they are all dead now.
chris tann,.
in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .
however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.
Physical complexity.
Ok, so how are you defining complexity?
The molecular make-up of the hard drive
That changes as data is written to the drive into forms that are interacted with and they are interacted with. More complexity.
You cannot be seriously suggesting that material is being added to a hard drive when it "fills up" with data.
I never suggested anything like that. That's why I am asking you how you are defining "complexity". You seem to be equating it with "how much stuff is there" when that's not at all a definition of complexity.
It's just magnetic bits being flipped.
It's physical material having it's properties changed to interact with other physical systems.
Likewise, the circuits in the computer are either powered or unpowered, but are equally complex either way.
Again, you're not defining what you mean by "complex". Complexity, in any definition, refers to systems interacting. Unpowered or low usage circuits are not interacting interacting as much.
Seriously, what definition of "complex" or "complexity" are you using?
chris tann,.
in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .
however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.
Physical complexity. Not informational complexity.
Information is held by something physical. CPU's must have more physical complexity to do more work. Hard drive (or flash, SSD, SAN, NAS, take your pick) become more pysically complex as they hold more information and perform more task.
What is your definition of complexity? Physical complexity refers explicitely to things that are connected and interact. Random distribution would at least imply that there are ~ as many non-connected things as there are connected. More things inter-relating with each other is what "complexity" is regardless of whether we are talking about information or purely physical systems.
I'm very curious what definition of complexity you are using.
Neither a computer or a brain is more complex physically when processing information than when it is not.
Yes, they are. Again, complexity refers to inter-relatedness and connections. By any definition and use case I can come up with, there are more connections and structure when processing information when idle or with no power.
according to the bible man was created a little lower in abilities to that of angels.
this means that angels are a tad higher in regards to their perfection.
perhaps they have a word for it in the spirit realm as we mere mortals do not.
That’s why I’m convinced that God doesn’t create evil beings.
Why do you hate the Bible?
Isaiah 45:7 - I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
chris tann,.
in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .
however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.
Caedes, what is at the fringes of the natural universe gives us indications what is outside of it
"Natural universe" is a meaningless term. We can't see the fringes of the universe.
The movement, radiation that signals that all that matter has disappeared, out of the universe into a black hole, leaving only it's effects.
That has nothing to do with your claims or the cosmic background radiation.
time stands still in these conditions, and you can not be part of the universe if you do not paricipate in its movement through time.
Math suggests spacetime dilation would be at a maximum. Spacetime flow for observers in different frames of reference would change. In any event, time would most certainly not "stop", whatever that means.
Remember that we live in a fabric of spacetime that is moving, expanding, and black hole matter has left us.
What does that even mean, "black hole matter has left us"? Left who? Gone where?
I know Black holes have nothing to do with the genesis account, but they are part of the ongoing saga of the universe's development, points where time stands still again, because it was so there so dense, so energetic, fast again.
That sentence makes as much sense as saying "derpa derpa wharrrgrrbl".
chris tann,.
in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .
however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.
No it isn't. Data is alignment of magnetic particles. The particles are always there, representing some kind of information, regardless of how much of its space is occupied by coherent "data" stored there deliberately by humans.
Complexity doesn't refer to the number of bits that can have a 1 or a 0 set. It refers to systems or parts that have relationships and interact with other systems or parts. Random bits on a drive are not interecting with with anything nor do they have any structure to do so. There is no definition of complexity that would even suggest that sectors on a drive with a random value are equally as complex as a drive holding a database or files.
chris tann,.
in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .
however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.
Caedes, I agree, and did not say there is a place OUTSIDE time, to the contrary: There was time before there was a place, like space.
Time and space are the same thing.
I wish too, that black holes did not exist
If they didn't, you wouldn't. You're wishing for your own non-existence.
nasa discovery proves the bible scientifically accurate.
the debate.
for decades there has been a long standing debate between science and religion as to the validity of the biblical genesis account of creation.
So the claim that God created Heaven and Earth matches with science.
Utterly ridiculous nonsense.
nasa discovery proves the bible scientifically accurate.
the debate.
for decades there has been a long standing debate between science and religion as to the validity of the biblical genesis account of creation.
This word denotes a sphere not a circle,which could still be flat.
No, it doesn't.
according to the bible man was created a little lower in abilities to that of angels.
this means that angels are a tad higher in regards to their perfection.
perhaps they have a word for it in the spirit realm as we mere mortals do not.
Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently, He thought it worth the risk. (...) If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will -that is, for making a real world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings- then we may take it it is worth paying.
So... God really is just a guy hoping things don't go wrong and, if they do, can't fix it? Not much of a god you have there.
