Thanks! Once I'm dead, my body is no more me than an empty house is the lives it contained. I'd rather anyone who chooses to remember me do it with a party and tell silly stories than mourn.
Viviane
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Funeral for an atheist
by Stealth in99% of all funerals that i have attended have been the wt version, where they preach about the resurrection into paradise and say little about the person who passed other than they were loyal to jah.
the other 1% catholic for grandparents.. now that i consider myself an atheist, i got to wondering what do atheists plan for when they die?.
if you are a non-believer what are your plans for when you die?
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My Letter to Brooklyn about the Parousia that got me disfellowshipped
by cofty inthis is the letter i wrote back in '96 about the parousia.
following the '95 watchtower that disconnected the "generation" from 1914 i began to look carefully at end-time prophecy and soon discovered what i knew were basic errors in what i had been taught.. i was a loyal jw at the time and was still serving as an elder.
i used only watchtower publications in my research.
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Viviane
Rather than DF you, the smart move would have been to invite you to be part of the writing and research committee.
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Funeral for an atheist
by Stealth in99% of all funerals that i have attended have been the wt version, where they preach about the resurrection into paradise and say little about the person who passed other than they were loyal to jah.
the other 1% catholic for grandparents.. now that i consider myself an atheist, i got to wondering what do atheists plan for when they die?.
if you are a non-believer what are your plans for when you die?
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Viviane
Sell my body and use the money to throw a party.
Or toss it in a river and use the saved money to throw a party.
Or offer it up to a necrophiliac for cash and use the money to throw a party.
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Psycopaths?
by stuckinarut2 ini have been thinking that jws display an organizationally officially promoted form of thinking that makes them psycopaths!.
what i mean is, any person who enjoyed reading and leaning about past gruesome deaths, or who justified such things as being normal or acceptable would be deemed to be dangerous to society...a psychopath.
(by this i am refferring to the content of the bible of course).
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Viviane
(Rebel8 - love your posts - but I cannot agree that JW's can be cured. [That was also the fantasy of The Governor and Hershel in Walking Dead])
There are plenty of well adjusted ex-JWs here.
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DINOSAURS - What do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?
by Bloody Hotdogs! inas part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.
im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.
http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.
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Viviane
Here is a video about dinosaurs existing with men.
And it shows the 800 year old Budist temple in Cambodia with a stegasauris carved in stone.
It shows a carving of unknown age and origin that you are interpreting to be a stegosaurus.
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DINOSAURS - What do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?
by Bloody Hotdogs! inas part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.
im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.
http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.
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Viviane
The parts that are untestable or unprovable.
Which parts do you think are untestable and unproveable? Be specific as to why.
Any part that does not follow science and the scientific method specifically,
All forms of pseudo science.
Please, be specific. I can't read your mind as to what you think is psuedo science or what parts of science aren't following the scientific method.
What they used to call theoretical.
What does that even mean?
thought the carvig was from an 800 year old Buddist temple.
It may well be.
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DINOSAURS - What do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?
by Bloody Hotdogs! inas part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.
im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.
http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.
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Viviane
It looks like a dinosaur. They did not have pictures 800 years ago.
It looks like modern representations of dinosaurs. You've never seen one so you really can't say it looks like a dinosaur. Also, what makes you think that particular carving is 800 years old?
There is a lot of evidence that man existed with dinosaurs.
They did not use the word dinosaur until recently.
They used to be called dragons for one.
In what way is that evidence?
It is very possible that a small part of biology is wrong and parts of all the other unscientific sciences are wrong.
The parts that are unscientific could be wrong and the parts that are scientific and follow the scientific method are right.
Which parts are you suggesting are unscientific and wrong? Be specific as to why.
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Parousia (again)
by leaving_quietly ini noticed this during the wt study on sunday.. 1 cor 15:23: "but each one in his own proper order: christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the christ during his presence.
"the greek word for presence is "parousia", which needs no explanation here as to how wtbts views this word versus the rest of the world.. what i noticed was the striking contradiction made just a few verses later.. 1 cor 15:51,52: "look!
i tell you a sacred secret: we will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.
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Viviane
The sudden "depature" or rapture or 'snaching away" of Christians in not a new teaching. The rapture is taught in the NT and was believed by early Christians:
Try reading what people write. I wrote that the current fundamentalist view of the rapture is a modern invention. Neither of those people you quote (one of them out of context, BTW), says anything like what the modern whacko crazy Fundamentalist Jesus freaks believe.
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DINOSAURS - What do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?
by Bloody Hotdogs! inas part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.
im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.
http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.
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Viviane
I am just asking why is there a dinosaur in stone on the temple?
1) How are you confirming it's a dinosaur?
2) If it is, what it more likely, someone who has seen a dinosaur picture put it there for some reason OR all of biology, geology, paleontology, genetics and archeology is wrong?
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Creationist Should Dismiss Genesis Quickly
by Coded Logic inchris tann,.
in your earlier post you seemed to be under the impression that genesis and science were somehow compatible .
however, the truth is the two are not reconcilable at all.
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Viviane
I already suggested in this thread (a few times) that the creator used himself as material for the universe, either by thinking it up (simulating the universe in his "brain") or reconfiguring his "body" to serve as the universe.
So you're still adding to complexity in either of those scenarios.
but it would explain how the universe could be created without an increase in complexity, or at least a significant one.
It still doesn't do either of those things. Just to be clear, what definition of "complex" are you currently using?
Did you not read the rest of my sentence? "It could be that the formation of a creator according to the laws of a different universe was much more likely than the formation of intelligent life on earth ". Yes, I am suggesting a creator ex nihilo.
Yes, I did, and that's not ex nilho. Not sure what you are getting at, but your premise and conclusion completely contradicted each other.
These superficial objections are very tiresome, as well as predictable. Obviously I don't mean that evolution can "choose" something consciously.
I've obviously no way of knowing that since you didn't know the definition of complex or information.
Are you seriously suggesting that scientists don't personify nature when they write about evolution? If you don't think so, shall I dig up some examples from Dawkins et al. for you to read? If you do think so, do you write to them complaining about their terminology, or am I the sole focal point of your attention for some lucky reason?
I've suggested no such thing at any time. You're arguing with your own wrong notion of your misunderstanding.
And I was clearly not referring to the results of evolution as "done". I was referring to a particular point of view, which is why I said " when its 'creations' are looked at as finished products". People do this all the time when they criticize things like the roundabout nerve in the giraffe's neck or anything else that could have been designed better. They are criticizing the result of a process that had a good reason to happen that way because it developed in logical steps through successive prior organisms.
OK. So... write more clearly next time.
The point I am making, and which risks getting lost in pedantry, is that the concept of a god, when looked at as a finished product, seems complex, but that doesn't mean it couldn't come about through a simple process, step by step, and possibly one that was more likely than the process which produced intelligence on Earth.
A creator or the concept of a creator? I hate to lose you in more pedantry, but you did spend several post repeatedly misuing the words complex and information and in this post misued ex nihlo and attempted to falsley ascribe ridiculous views to me. So, just be more clear. Also, it also possible that a teapot is the core of Jupiter. Both ideas have just as much merit.