Viviane

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  Asshole Atheism – Not for me, now or ever.

  by donny in

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  to start off with let me clarify that by asshole atheism i am not referring to strong atheism or any other type of upfront atheism.

  what i am referring to is the belligerent, hateful atheism that smacks of trolls and other types who want to derail conversation or comments at any cost..

  i enjoy hearing comments from both sides of the subjects of theism, nationalism or politics, especially from those who have intense opinions.

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  Viviane

  I bet writing anti-christian literature pays better producing research papers.

  You could find out, but that would require work and possibly math.

  Judging from friends and family, people who claim to have interest in Science , never really seem to have much of an interest in science outside of finding reasons to argue with religious people. It seems to more of a liberal arts thing, disguising itself in the guise of higher learning.

  So... you've no actual grasp of science or how it works, yet feel that based on that ignorance and god-given gut instinct, you can pass judgement on it.Got it.

  I have a few doctors and engineers in the family and they could care less about the origins of the species. It always seems to be the political science major that figures they have all the mysteries of the planet figured out.

  Yes, we get it. You know someone and don't understand what they do or what they know and then make up stuff about other people. What of it?
  
  
  
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  Asshole Atheism – Not for me, now or ever.

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to start off with let me clarify that by asshole atheism i am not referring to strong atheism or any other type of upfront atheism.

  what i am referring to is the belligerent, hateful atheism that smacks of trolls and other types who want to derail conversation or comments at any cost..

  i enjoy hearing comments from both sides of the subjects of theism, nationalism or politics, especially from those who have intense opinions.

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  Viviane

  Maybe I didn't make myself clear but someone like Richard Dawkins writing anti-Christian books and going on public speaking tours debating christian apologetics isn't real science

  Of course it isn't. It is, however, entertaining to watch the apologists try to squirm out of logic and deny reality.

  I wish people would realize their is an entire industry taking your money to give you a smug sense of morality superiority. It the same reason JWs manage to suck people into their cause.

  Actually, not worshiping and defending a death cult is what gives me sense of moral superiority. Recognizing reality, what people like Dawkins and myself advocate, is the opposite of what allows people to be sucked into death cults like the JWs or regular Christianity.

  Real science is being a doctor, curing diseases, being an engineer, working on the electric car etc etc.

  So... you're saying Dawkins is a real scientist. Agreed. He is.

  It just bugs me how everyone with a library card and a facebook page posting anti-Christian memes figures they are an evolutionary biologist now.

  Making stuff up like that is how people become part of a death cult.
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  Are the USA and Russia the key actors in end time prophecy?

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what's the problem with prophecy?prophecy primarily requires a pattern recognition or insightful strategy not an analytical strategy.

  prophecy rarely gives names whether of empires or their rulers.

  even the name of the messiah - yeshua -wasn't foretold.

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  I wanted to establish that prophecy is ambiguous until it needs to be understood. Eventually it will be interpreted correctly and it will be understood by everyone.

  There is exactly zero evidence of that happening. What is your basis for reasoning on this?

  The matching game is not all there is to prophecy. The prophecy about the end has the purpose of generating certain behaviors. The prophecy isn't about sitting on a roof waiting to be levitated. It's about flight for survival. Physical flight. It is a time where those who believe will be able to say with confidence "This is it!"

  That has happened many times, each one wrong. What is the basis for predicting this will happen?
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

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  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Ugly or Just?

  Ugly. Your god can't resist killing babies and innocents to satisfy his bloodlust. What a monster you worship.
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  Are the USA and Russia the key actors in end time prophecy?

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what's the problem with prophecy?prophecy primarily requires a pattern recognition or insightful strategy not an analytical strategy.

  prophecy rarely gives names whether of empires or their rulers.

  even the name of the messiah - yeshua -wasn't foretold.

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  Viviane

  So.... no prophecy talks about this, then?
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Viviane

  As everyone knows for a fact, facts cannot be challenged. Case closed IF evolution is a fact.

  Correct, that evolution did and continues to happen is a fact. Case closed.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Viviane

  Animal suffering is a fact. But that does not prove that God is bad. A "proper foundation" has not been established as to what is good and bad either. You have your opinion BUT you are not running the USA

  If you are claiming God is a creator and perfect love and and all omni, knowing a powerful, it creates a situation were all of those thing cannot be true. That is not an opinion unless you define live in some as yet unknown way (such as it is loving to allow 250K deaths). That is not an opinion. Whether or not anyone is running the USA has nothing to do with anyone.

  Is everyone able to do the same thing with evolution? or is it a conclusion derived from facts and interpretation of facts?

  It a measurable and demonstrable fact, as much as as the earth not being flat. Next question.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Viviane

  Off topic then, does anyone know with certainty that "evolution" is how life developed?

  Yes. Next question.
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  Are the USA and Russia the key actors in end time prophecy?

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what's the problem with prophecy?prophecy primarily requires a pattern recognition or insightful strategy not an analytical strategy.

  prophecy rarely gives names whether of empires or their rulers.

  even the name of the messiah - yeshua -wasn't foretold.

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  Viviane

  End time prophecy requires a high tolerance for ambiguity.

  So, prophecy is nothing more than vague hand waving with everyone left the guess and fill in the blanks because it said nothing at all, actually? Seems about right. So, not a single prophecy has ever, nor does is, have the possibility of coming true since it doesn't actually say anything.

  You can brush this off as mere opinion. But if you don’t believe in the Bible you aren’t going to find a more educated opinion of the world’s situation.

  You yourself said it is mere opinion. No prophecy actually says anything. You are the one filling in the blanks since the prophecy never says any of this and we've no proof of you having a hotline to Jesus, so it MUST only be opinion.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Viviane

  That might be a simple calculation but without you defining anything it's pretty meaningless.

  I recognized it immediately, Caedes. It's the most basic form of the slope-intercept equation for line equations. son just recently worked on that in school and I helped him with it, hence I've seen it a lot recently. Not sure what it's doing in this thread, however.