Posts by Viviane

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Viviane

Today, he is watching and observing, but at the begining of life/creation he set the rules where things can evolve.
There is no evidence, as he never steps in. No miracles, no divine intervention.

Why do you believe this if there is no evidence for it?

I think that this conclusion, to me anyway, helps me to be a better person, and if everyone followed this way of life we would have peace love and eternal happiness.

Why would everyone be better if they believed this? Why should anyone believe this with no evidence?

I agree, my theory or belief has cracks in it, but my journey seperate to JW beliefs has taken me down this path.

It simply has zero evidence of any kind and no way to get evidence. It's not a crack or hole, it's lacking any substance to have a crack in it.

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Viviane

My theory (or belief) is that there is a God or entity that we cannot comprehend, that is just watching and observing.
Evolution did occur, but it was orchestrated by this unknown entity we call God.

So, was this incomprehensible entity just watching and observing or actively orchestrating evolution (because it still happens today, meaning he is still actively doing stuff).

What evidence is there for this entity?

If we do not do good deeds, and have hate in our heart, we begin the process again, same soul, different body, but with no recollection on our previous life/life's. This process can be infinite, until we dig deep into our present consciousness, and understand the real meaning of Jesus words.

Why do you think that is the case?

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Viviane

I am a senior engineer with a large engineering firm

I'm curious, what type of engineering scale do you carry in your pocket for when you need to measure how much money you have?

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Viviane

Would your illustration be before or after that creation would have sinned to go from vegetation to meat.

You've zero proof that happened.

To have teeth for foraging and digging to preservation. The bible states vegetation, however you seem to imply a marvel of modern science to know implicitly. Did you build a time machine? So then, your point being!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you wish to continue, the forum is yours, I find your argument redundant at this point

Poor logic aside, you are simply making things up that is contradictory to all evidence to preserve the notion that your death cult blood god is worthy of fealty.

“We concluded that Josephoartigasia must have used its incisors for activities other than biting, such as digging in the ground for food, or defending itself from predators," Dr. Philip Cox, a professor of physiology at the University of York and Hull York Medical School in England, who led the research, said in a written statement.

You don't get to reject science when it proves your blood cult death god isn't real and then try to ride it like a temple concubine when you mistakenly think it helps your case.

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Viviane

That would be incorrect,Viviane. I was just responding to Cofty's assumption: This is what happens when you feel free to make stuff up on the spot with no knowledge of your subject and no respect for facts.
So then the assertion of defending Cofty would draw the parallels on what you just mentioned.

Yes, you're responding, by making stuff up, some of it about teeth and others about Cofty. You're not respecting the facts or the limits of your own knowledge and certainly not other people.

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Viviane

To call someone ignorant you must first study your own fallacies. Without it, your discussion becomes meaningless.

So, you're making an assumption that Cofty hasn't studied himself? Since you have know way of knowing that, wouldn't making such an assertion be an ignorant position to take?

With the hypothetical illustration of the dinosaurs sharp teeth. Science conforms that early dinosaurs had even sharp teeth. Your confusion starts as the animal kingdom developed let’s say fangs.

Full stop. Are you defining "sharp teeth" as fangs? If so, why? If not, why? Sharp molars? Teeth that broke? Molars ground by years of plant eating? All can be sharp, you've made no distinction, you need to be more clear on exactly what you are saying.

If that life cycle was created and turned into carnivore, it would explain the obvious, the animal kingdom adapted. Now you can include suffering, but not before.

The animal kingdom, prior to the existence of man had predation, disease, and painful death by other unfortunate circumstances. Animals suffered. If you assert an all loving god as the source of existence, you've still not explained suffering prior to mythical sin.

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The Hebrew Aleph at the behinning of creation and the bet meaning

by artcritic in

lets look at their meanings.

the hebrew aleph is the same as our a but our a dose not have a symbol attached to it.

interestingly the aleph is silent.

Viviane

Look at the first letter of Arthur Fonzarelli's name. It's an A. Alpha, the beginning. Fonzie is the beginning, god. How do we know this? His name, Arthur, rhymes with "author", the source. The Fonz says "eeeehhhhhh!" and things happen when he. He speaks (logos) and things happen. He is the author of existence. He makes things happen merely by his logos. He has a holy chariot, his motorcycle. He is surrounded by beautiful women, virgins and temple concubines alike. His be friend is Richie Cunningham, clearly a message from the author that he wants us to be rich, cunning as a serpent and to enjoy ham. He often solves the problems of those who remain close to him. He wants to help us.

This is so obvious to anyone who wants to put the time in to learn it.

Lest you think this post has jumped the shark, I remind you that the Fonz literally jumped a shark while wearing a leather jacket, something no human can do, thus proving his divinity.

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Viviane

'Does not make my money grow' is referring to his oh-so-clever story, he means that reality is as it is, nobody's views, opinions, or comments can change that.

Except the story isn't clever at all. It's ridiculous.

He clearly enjoys flaunting his intelligience and education by means of word play etc. far more than trying to help those without a great deal of education and busy people (such as most JW's who lurk here sometimes), to think about a subject.

Except you can't flaunt what you don't have.

"Seconds of terror possibly painless,-- to pay for years of joy? a fair bargain."

That's not actually a bargain, though. It's seconds or minutes or hours of terror with immense pain followed by death.

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Viviane

How simple it sounds when logic is exercised to obscure sound research. The assertion that a heavenly creator would purposely subject its creation to pain is overreaching.

The Bible, your holy, book, literally says that God does that. Don't pretend it doesn't, that would be a hilariously obvious lie.

To a theist, why does God allow Suffering? God didn’t, that came about by man’s own sins.

Wrong. Animals suffered long before man existed. Therefore God caused suffering. Why don't theists know their own holy book?

However it doesn’t explain if a creator that made the dinosaur created those big teeth to shred, let’s say heavy or thick vegetation.

It explains it quite well! Why don't theists ever actually know facts, history or their own holy book?

So to have a rational argument or irrational conversation is moot. That’s the purpose of Noah. Believe or not, the choice is your own.

Yours is clear to ignore reality is favor of irrationality.

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Viviane

Support your view (against Anselm's)

A god that doesn't cause his own creation to suffer is greater than the god of the bible.

Done. Ontological view is down for a permanent nap.