Posts by Viviane

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Viviane

I am not the least bit upset--in fact I would be surprised if you werent that way at all. I realize you are an atheist, and in being so, this is to be expected. If you were supporting me, talking decently to me, and not resorting to name calling, then I would know that I was in the wrong.

As I said, accusing others of your own behavior is a common tactic amongst those who seek to dehumanize others. Your views and actions are disgusting and you are a poor example of a human.

Grow a backbone, for heaven's sake, and be proud of the bigoted views you hold. At then I could respect you for standing up for what you believe in. Now it's just sad watching pretend you're a victim for being a bigot and having issues with your sexuality.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Viviane

you are poor example too--you preach tolerance, then when someone holds a view different from yours, you resort to name calling--you are a hypocrite.

You see, being a hypocrite would mean I would be saying I can hold my views but you can't hold yours. No one saying that at all. I am tolerant of your views and your right to hold them. I never said you shouldn't. Your views just happen to be disgusting and your actions, attempting to dehumanize people, make you a poor example of a human and I have every right to call that out.

You should own that, be proud of it. Why are you suddenly whining and upset that your views are being called what they are? Seriously, I find it hilarious that the people that want to enshrine the right to be bigoted assholes into law suddenly turn in simpering children when the right to properly calls out those bigoted views is used.

Grow a backbone, for heaven's sake.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Viviane

By the way, I never said they all were like that, just the ones I have met, and the ones who are working on the agenda--the non-political ones, not so much.

Liar, you said "the liberals". That means all.

Your attempts to dehumanize an entire group of humans to justify your own issues with sexuality by cherry picking morality and scripture are disgusting and a poor example of a human.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Viviane

Wow, you are so filled with hate! You can't even allow someone to disagree with you without going all ballistic and name calling.

Pretending to be the victim and accusing others of being "full of hate" is exactly the playbook your type fall back on when your disgusting actions are brought to light.

Your attempts to dehumanize an entire group of humans to justify your own issues with sexuality by cherry picking morality and scripture are disgusting and a poor example of a human. Note that no one is not allowing you to disagree, indeed, I fully support your right to do so, so please don't tell that lie again.

Your views and actions just happen to be disgusting.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Viviane

Your attempts to dehumanize an entire group of humans to justify your own issues with sexuality by cherry picking morality and scripture are disgusting and a poor example of a human.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Viviane

As for baking cakes for fornicators, well I guess if someone came to me and wanted me to cater their unwed daughters "losing her virginity" party--well I probably wouldn't cater that either.

That's a very weird example that doesn't make sense.

Bakers make cakes for unwed couple having sex all the time without a problem. They make cakes for the birth of children from unwed couples, cakes for bachelor parties that will have naked women present, cakes for gay couples.

They only draw the line at weddings, so clearly the issue isn't a strongly help Christian conviction because they are picking and choosing their morals.

The liberals are all about show and if it doesn't fit their agenda, they wouldn't feed anyone.

Well, that's just irrelevant, stupid and false.

The gays I have known would step right over a homeless person in a ditch to get to their gay pride meeting or political action forum---leaving the poor hungry person to be fed by the christian.

Ah, yes, is this when you were on the down low, I mean, undercover, in these gay organizations and being propositions by married gay men?

Good job on dehumanizing, insulting, lying about and demeaning an entire group of humans just so you can feel justified in in defending your cherry picking of morals and religion and obvious issues with sexuality.

Disgusting.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Viviane

DJS, some people have convictions that aren't up for sale--it is rare nowadays, but there still are some.

Yes, they are. That's exactly the point. They will bake a gay or make a flower arrangement for gay couples or fornicators, both "sins" according to the Bible and then suddenly decide that a specific instance is wrong and next time it's OK.

That's very definition of hypocrisy and convictions up for sales.

Some people have convictions, and others blow as the wind blows, and sell their soul for a buck.

Sorry, unless you follow the Bible 100% (since you claim to be a Christian) you are picking and choosing your morals and convictions are you go.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Viviane

I will adress one aspect about the Bakery case. In this instance they would have their hand specifically in the event, also not to forget the photographers who have been sued for not filming a gay wedding.

Yes, because that's the service they went into business to offer. It's not being part of the ceremony. Most custom cakes ARE for an event and that's the service they decided to offer. Same with the photographer.

There is a difference in baking a cake and selling it to someone or refusing to sell, and making a specific cake with a specific message on the cake (whether it be 2 female cake toppers or 2 male. or congratulations Lisa and Maureen) the difference is one selling a good, where the other is more like catering to a service.

What is the difference? They are making wedding cakes. What is the difference between making a custom cake and making a custom cake and delivering it that it suddenly becomes morally offensive? How is it OK to provide a cake for fornicators but not gay people? Both are sins.

I could not in any way shape or form be a partaker in anything that promotes the WT Society.

The last two companies I worked for had the WTBS as customers. I had no problem with it and found it deliciously ironic that the sales to them helped fund my apostate lifestyle.

For as ever much how wrong I believe the Watchtower is--there are just as many people who believe that gay marriage is just as wrong and don't want any part of it.

So?

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Scripture Challenge: Theists, atheist, anti-theists, absentheists, satan worshippers whoever can help...

by freemindfade in

can anyone give me one or more scriptures in the first 5 books of the bible that would describe yhwh the tribal desert god as loving, kind, merciful, etc?...

and by loving i don't mean, "in order to release all the jews from slavery god @$$blasted the egyptians with ten plagues because he was so loving to his chosen race"..

Viviane

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed..."

Including the poisonous ones so... not so much.

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Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

by Simon in

sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

"oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

you're fired!"..

Viviane

I think much more more about my country that is being forced away from its traditional roots, while the people that promote this are using deceitful tactics. I spoke out about the way the watchtower forced deception on people, and I also speak out how these liberal groups are also using similar tactics.

Ah, so women not being able to own property, religious tests for office and slavery are what we should pine for?

What specific deceitful tactics are you speaking of? Most people seem to be very clear on what is going on. I keep hearing about this gay agenda and tactics and freedom cause Jesus and how much these religious white people think about gay sex, but I can't seem to find what the deceitful tactics are, certainly not ones like the WT uses.

Could you elaborate? Also explain why businesses owned by Christians specifically need protection? You also ignored my question about if it would be OK if the gay couple getting married were celibate. You also didn't address the line of right and wrong and the 1 drop rule.