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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Viviane

  Double post.... edited to remove, see below.
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Viviane

  Dear lady I did not threaten you with violence. You are inventing something in your own head. Stop inventing what is not there!

  I never said you did, nor do I doubt my ability to easily dispatch you had you done some.

  Please stick to reality and what I actually said rather than what you imagine I wrote. Reading, how does it work?
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Viviane

  Right, Viviane? I thought I was going crazy. One line he chose someone to do the crime and the next it wasn't predestined.
  It reminds me of someone trying to explain the trinity or 1914. My head hurts after as they counter their previous statement.

  Basically, the argument goes like this... "A = A, which also = B, except A = 1 and B = 3.14159.... and A also = !A, with happens to = B when it doesn't = 3.14159... except when it does, which equals both A and !A."

  It's an exercise in contradictory ridiculousness.
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  Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  it's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.

  i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.

  it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.

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  Viviane

  I'm willing to try to reason on just one the evils of your choice if you think it would be fruitful. I just don't think you really care to see my side, you seem so mean in your writing style

  How is not blindly accepting your claims "mean"? Be specific.
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Viviane

  Jesus knew from the beginning who would betray him and who among his disciples did not believe. "From the beginning" is thought to mean from the time Judas became his disciple or chosen as an Apostle. Because Jesus knew the man's heart his course was set but not because he could not change but rather because he wouldnot change. There is a big difference.

  Wait, so god DID predestine a person to betray Jesus and die and IS omniscient? Earlier you claimed that was untrue.

  Which is is it?
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  Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.

  i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.

  it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.

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  Viviane

  Cofty is not an atheist, he is anti-Christ.

  You don't get to speak for Cofty. He can tell you his views all on his own without your assumption born from lacking knowledge about them.

  Why else would someone constantly attack God?

  Because the god of the bible murdered millions, ordered genocide, abortion, rape, slavery. It is a moral monster.

  I could understand attacking JWs and other dangerous cults, or even hypocritical Theists, but attacking the very concept of "God" and with such animosity sparked with disgust in his allowance of death and suffering speaks loudly of his anti-God beliefs.

  Since you can't define your god without defining a moral monster in the most contradictory terms, why shouldn't that idea be attacked? You're nowhere close to making your case.

  You seem to be in the same boat, if you feel obliged to answer before him

  Again, you seem arrogantly uninformed to presume to know what I feel obliged to do. Have you considered speaking only for yourself and not dishonestly pretending to know things about other people that you cannot possibly know? It would be so much more honest and refreshing on your part.
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  Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.

  i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.

  it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.

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  Viviane

  Cofty, you do not understand Christ at all. You have been led by your fear of death to become so angry at God, you will not listen to reason.

  I do not intend to speak for Cofty, but, my understanding from reading his posts is that he is an atheist. If your very first assertion is wrong, illogical and ridiculous, namely that he is angry with something he doesn't have a belief in, please explain why anyone should bother to read the rest of your post.
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Viviane

  I enjoyed that, very entertaining. So, what's next? Are you going to pick up a shoe and throw it at me?

  I would never think of inflicting physical harm on someone else without it being a life or death situation.

  The fact that, when called out on your shameful dishonest behavior, is the first think you thought of, shows that you are indeed a typical Christian. Intellectually dishonest with threats of violence as your backup.
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Viviane

  Depressed Soul, yes a few individuals in the Bible were predestined but though Christ's betrayal was prophesied that does not mean that when Judas was conceived in the womb his path was sealed.

  So invisible guy in the sky DOESN'T know everything? He is NOT omniscient, as Christians and the bible claim? That means it is NOT the god you claim to worship.

  He may have been chosen for his bad tendency but a whole host of other men at the time could have filled the bill.

  So god picks, specifically, who he will kill and what sin they will commit even before they have done wrong? So it was predestined before he made the choice, contrary to your prior claim.
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  Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.

  i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.

  it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.

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  Viviane

  I personally don’t believe that my views are right.
  After my experience with the Jehovah’s Witnesses I know that I have the ability to choose the wrong, believe I am in the right while believing in the wrong, and that I can reason along lines to keep me blindly in this wrong course.

  You choose to hold views that you know are wrong? That's .... weird.

  It is great that people have a place to argue and present their views here, but there is a lot of disrespect for those of other views. I don’t want to be that way, and I apologize if that may be what some see in my comments as that was not intended.

  There is no respect for woo and mysticism and pretending you said something when you didn't. Totally different.

  Just remember: if any of us are ex-JWs then we are the last people on earth who should recommend a view or conviction as true or more correct than another and state that someone else’s view is incorrect. Our track record shows we aren’t very good at that since it wasn’t long ago we were saying that about our Watchtower beliefs.

  Please speak only for yourself and don't pretend to speak for others, people you don't know, can't possibly know or know anything about and about who you are, at best, making things up about. You only get to speak for yourself.
  
  

  I feel I don’t belong here, so I will move on

  Bye.