Posts by Viviane

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For God/Truth Seekers Only!

jw
friends

for the past three years, my husband and i have been watching these sermons by remarkable worldwide speakers.

the biblical truths we have learnt from their presentations, in such a short period of time most definitely tip the scales compared to the truth the jw.org led me to believe i had for over 20 plus years of my life.

thanks to these videos, we have now found the truth and the truth is jesus christ (john 14:6).

Viviane

Seriously , find something better to do with your time. Get a degree, learn how to play guitar, Volunteer at the SPCA.Next time you place a lot of time and effort into an answer, you have to realize this isn’t a NASA message board. The general audience doesn’t care.

Got a degree, know how to play guitar, pick locks, play golf, cook, knit, garden, already volunteer every week at the local no-kill animal shelter and have rescued two dogs and foster others at various times.

What were you whining about again? It's almost like you said something, but then it turned out ... not quite so much.

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How the human mind processes facts and faith differently

by EdenOne in

i found this very interesting article by t. m. luhrmann in todays edition of the new york times (i've highlighted a few parts i 've found most interesting):.

it seems weird to deny them.. and yet a broad group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures.

people process evidence differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a religious mind-set.

Viviane

If I may, I will use Viviane and Cofty as examples. They can be brutal on threads like this. But that's the point, its on THREADS LIKE THIS!!!

Thank you. In the arena of "is this idea valid" it's utter brutality to the idea to see if it stands up. That says nothing about the person with the idea or the person seeing if it stands up, whether they are nice, naughty, mean, motherly or otherwise.

Some of the people that have been the most brutal to my own ideas have been my best friends because I asked them to be. I mean, if my friends can't tell me my idea sucks because they want to be nice, how do I expect anyone else to respond when I put it out there?

I expect no one here to believe it, but, in actual life, I am one of the most compassionate, easy going, ready to laugh, buy you a drink or cup of coffee people in the world.

Oh, time to evaluate an idea? I wouldn't be an actual friend or good person if I didn't try to destroy it. How else will you figure out where it needs work and shoring up or to be scrapped altogether? Would it make me a better person NOT to challenge ideas? I think not.

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For God/Truth Seekers Only!

by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

jw
friends

for the past three years, my husband and i have been watching these sermons by remarkable worldwide speakers.

the biblical truths we have learnt from their presentations, in such a short period of time most definitely tip the scales compared to the truth the jw.org led me to believe i had for over 20 plus years of my life.

thanks to these videos, we have now found the truth and the truth is jesus christ (john 14:6).

Viviane

I have a choice to either watch or turn them off (for good if I have to), as opposed to, “you have to go to the meeting or else Jehovah will be very upset with you” or “I had better keep up my meeting attendance to avoid the Spanish Inquisition from Elders so and so – I've already missed two consecutive meetings, missing the third will surely bring down the guillotine…”

JWs have the same choice with videos. This is NOT a meeting so any comparison is invalid.

If I am being indoctrinated, than I am being indoctrinated by God’s Word.

JWs say the same thing. Why is this different?

The transformation that happened in my life after learning and applying Bible principles is living proof that God’s Word is real - it is living, and has the power to change lives.

JWs say the same thing. How is this different?

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God & JW can't exist without "evil"

by thedepressedsoul in

i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

Viviane

Viviane, I figured there was a shoe coming my way. Your use of condescending insults betrays an inability to simply address what is being discussed in a manner worthy of respect.

As I said, you spoke without knowledge and then assumed violence. That was 100% all you and where your brain went. Attempting to pretend I said it is shamefully dishonest. No one ever said anything about throwing anything until you did and then you attempt to blame me for it? Oh, no, dear. It doesn't work that way.

You brought it up, you own it.

Your gruff manner detracts from your posts and thus your arguments. Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot, pun intended.

I am not in the least bit gruff. I just have zero tolerance for people saying ridiculous things and the dishonestly pretending somehow I was the one that said it.

If you want to get off on the right foot, be honest and stick to reality. Act like an adult and don't get offended at the expectation that you will converse in an honest manner. Don't blame me or call me gruff for calling out your ridiculous, made up claims. My arguments are just fine. All you need to do is speak honestly and converse like an adult.

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God & JW can't exist without "evil"

by thedepressedsoul in

i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

Viviane

Double post.... edited to remove, see below.

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God & JW can't exist without "evil"

by thedepressedsoul in

i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

Viviane

Dear lady I did not threaten you with violence. You are inventing something in your own head. Stop inventing what is not there!

I never said you did, nor do I doubt my ability to easily dispatch you had you done some.

Please stick to reality and what I actually said rather than what you imagine I wrote. Reading, how does it work?

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God & JW can't exist without "evil"

by thedepressedsoul in

i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

Viviane

Right, Viviane? I thought I was going crazy. One line he chose someone to do the crime and the next it wasn't predestined.
It reminds me of someone trying to explain the trinity or 1914. My head hurts after as they counter their previous statement.

Basically, the argument goes like this... "A = A, which also = B, except A = 1 and B = 3.14159.... and A also = !A, with happens to = B when it doesn't = 3.14159... except when it does, which equals both A and !A."

It's an exercise in contradictory ridiculousness.

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Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option

by cofty in

it's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.

i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.

it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.

Viviane

I'm willing to try to reason on just one the evils of your choice if you think it would be fruitful. I just don't think you really care to see my side, you seem so mean in your writing style

How is not blindly accepting your claims "mean"? Be specific.

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God & JW can't exist without "evil"

by thedepressedsoul in

i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

Viviane

Jesus knew from the beginning who would betray him and who among his disciples did not believe. "From the beginning" is thought to mean from the time Judas became his disciple or chosen as an Apostle. Because Jesus knew the man's heart his course was set but not because he could not change but rather because he wouldnot change. There is a big difference.

Wait, so god DID predestine a person to betray Jesus and die and IS omniscient? Earlier you claimed that was untrue.

Which is is it?

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Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option

by cofty in

it's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.

i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.

it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.

Viviane

Cofty is not an atheist, he is anti-Christ.

You don't get to speak for Cofty. He can tell you his views all on his own without your assumption born from lacking knowledge about them.

Why else would someone constantly attack God?

Because the god of the bible murdered millions, ordered genocide, abortion, rape, slavery. It is a moral monster.

I could understand attacking JWs and other dangerous cults, or even hypocritical Theists, but attacking the very concept of "God" and with such animosity sparked with disgust in his allowance of death and suffering speaks loudly of his anti-God beliefs.

Since you can't define your god without defining a moral monster in the most contradictory terms, why shouldn't that idea be attacked? You're nowhere close to making your case.

You seem to be in the same boat, if you feel obliged to answer before him

Again, you seem arrogantly uninformed to presume to know what I feel obliged to do. Have you considered speaking only for yourself and not dishonestly pretending to know things about other people that you cannot possibly know? It would be so much more honest and refreshing on your part.