Posts by Viviane

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

Accordingly, it's an observable fact that Vivian applies the Golden Rule by doing to others what she values others (her friends) do unto her. She verbally brutalizes others and their differentiated opinions and ideas in this forum because, well, that's what she expects that her friends do to her as a litmus test if her ideas are valid or not

Well, that's interesting because I don't verbally brutalize anyone, I brutally test ideas to see if they hold water. You really have a problem with accurately representing anything, it seems. You also don't know what "fact" means, clearly, but that's a different story.

Anyway, rather than follow me around from thread to thread telling me how terrible I am to you both, you and Twitch may want to consider getting a room and giving each other sexy rubdowns and massages while talking about what a terrible person I am and how bad I make you feel. How very, VERY bad I make you feel.

I'll even spring for the room, because I'm awesome like that.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

Interesting. So then, your comments were only editorial i.e. your opinion? Or is it a fact that the golden rule is a selfish, horrible idea? Do you have evidence of this? Please provide evidence of this, lol.

Not at all. Perhaps you're confused because your complaint has nothing to do with with the golden rule and what it means. Or perhaps you are just desperate for something to complain about. Only you know. Or don't, depending on how confused you are.

Which I did.

Well, you certainly think you did.

Actually you did, by asking me a question (see above)

Actually, I didn't. You responded prior to the question. That's called "order of events". Are you sure you aren't confused?

Are you telling me what to do?

Of course not. I am perfectly happy to let people say ridiculous things. It actually saves me quite a bit of work.

I get that you don't like me. You've said so. I also don't care in the least that you don't like me. I get that, for some reason, you like to post about me without saying it's about me but making it extremely obvious that's what you are doing.

I've no idea why, if you don't like me, you would feel the need to post in such a manner. It's very odd. Were I you, I would just say what I feel rather than obfuscate and wait for someone else to address what you are trying to say.

Maybe you're confused, maybe you want to tell me what you think but haven't quite worked up the courage, maybe you've a bit of an internet crush. Who can tell these things, but you, of course, and you aren't saying. It's certainly possible you don't even know.

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Is it common for old men to marry young JW?

by adjusted knowledge in

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friends

i left in the 90's and marriage partners were similar in age at my former congregation.

i ran into a former jw friend from my childhood.

i haven't seen him in 15 years.

Viviane

for one thing 20 years to me borderlines on perverted, pedifile ,behavior, cradle robbing, ect. and a female who goes after such an older man is not only mentally unbalanced to me, they have daddy issues. or caretaker issues.lol its just weird. i mean your 40 going after your daughters 20 yr old freind, ew . sorry.

How judgmental of you to decide two adults are pedophiles for dating.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

Anything you say that applies to how other people should think or behave

I don't tell people how to think or behave, so basically... none.

eh, whatever. Not interested in playing this game with you.

I wasn't playing any game. I simply asked you to clarify something. No one asked you to respond to me. If you didn't want to discuss, perhaps you should think before you enter a discussion.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

It seems that if someone should say the pages in his Bible are black print on white paper a few here might accuse him of being arrogant for actually believing he is capable of seeing the true colors of the ink and the paper

Well that's just utterly ridiculous. Colors have well defined objective values that can be measured.

She would ricochet away from almost everything I said even if I said something small or ordinary like- Honey how about going out to breakfast this Saturday- she would reply- why Saturday, why not Sunday, because you want to go to your useless meeting! It was relentless.

I'm sorry you are having marital troubles, but what does that have to do with this topic?

If I can say one thing that I hope will be something considered worthwhile here it is this: If you have started smoking STOP! Please stop. And thanks for listening.

That's good advice, but what does it have to do with this topic?

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

Thanks for your opinion, Viviane.
I look forward to you asking people here how they would like to be treated, and you acting accordingly
lol

What part of that do you think is opinion?

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

I think the Golden Rule doesn't omit this. I would want someone to ask me how I would like to be treated instead of just assuming. This is in line with the Golden rule.

No, it doesn't. However, it does encourage NOT doing this.

Empathy is something easy to feel for someone we care for. Applying that to all fellow humans as a principle even if they are unknown to us personally makes life easier for all. The "golden rule" is just another way of stating that.

Huh? Empathy is understanding how other people feel. The golden rule is taking a dump on how they feel and acting according to how you feel. It is literally the opposite of empathy.

It is generally accepted as positive and you are not naive for thinking so. Just because someone has a different opinion on it doesn't make you naive or the idea less valid. Some can nitpick semantics on just about anything, but that's their deal.

It IS generally accepted as positive unless you actually think about it. Then it's a horrible, selfish idea. Some can nitpick on semantics, but semantics are actually important for understanding things. Some people don't care to understand things, but that's their deal if they choose to remain in the dark.

As mentioned, it's the beginning of empathy and consideration for those beyond your immediate circle of people. It's general politeness and courtesy to others and doesn't need to be more complicated than that

It's the opposite of politeness and empathy.

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Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option

by cofty in

it's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.

i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.

it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.

Viviane

Perhaps (and I hope I am very wrong), but just perhaps some of these people who are acting this way were originally attracted to the Witnesses because they are a group that has not tolerance for ambiguity. These are people who like feeling they are right, in fact they have to believe they are and that others and their opposing views are unenlightened by comparison. It’s like a drug.

Wow. What an uninformed and arrogant thing to say.

I can confirm that yes, you are very wrong. Not only are you wrong, but in your wrongness you have managed to be arrogant, presumptive and pretend to know the mind of others, put your ignorance on display, so to speak.

It's almost like you are exactly the thing you are complaining about. I've seen that quite a bit today, actually.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

I guess I naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.

Correct.

What about the teaching called the golden rule itself? Is it just garbage?

Yes, it's arrogant and presumptive.

Rather than assume people want the same thing you want, you could always ask them. For instance, just because person A likes for random strangers to stick a finger in his poop chute doesn't mean that he can assume everyone likes that and run around doing it.

Just because person B loves shrimp dinners doesn't mean he can assume every does, they may not like it or be allergic or have religious objections.

Far better to simply ask how people would like to be treated.

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For God/Truth Seekers Only!

by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

jw
friends

for the past three years, my husband and i have been watching these sermons by remarkable worldwide speakers.

the biblical truths we have learnt from their presentations, in such a short period of time most definitely tip the scales compared to the truth the jw.org led me to believe i had for over 20 plus years of my life.

thanks to these videos, we have now found the truth and the truth is jesus christ (john 14:6).

Viviane

Seriously , find something better to do with your time. Get a degree, learn how to play guitar, Volunteer at the SPCA.Next time you place a lot of time and effort into an answer, you have to realize this isn’t a NASA message board. The general audience doesn’t care.

Got a degree, know how to play guitar, pick locks, play golf, cook, knit, garden, already volunteer every week at the local no-kill animal shelter and have rescued two dogs and foster others at various times.

What were you whining about again? It's almost like you said something, but then it turned out ... not quite so much.