Posts by Viviane

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How the human mind processes facts and faith differently

by EdenOne in

i found this very interesting article by t. m. luhrmann in todays edition of the new york times (i've highlighted a few parts i 've found most interesting):.

it seems weird to deny them.. and yet a broad group of scholars is beginning to demonstrate that religious belief and factual belief are indeed different kinds of mental creatures.

people process evidence differently when they think with a factual mind-set rather than with a religious mind-set.

Viviane

I always read Vivian's posts, I appreciate her clarity and candour. You couldn't fill her high heels Ruby.

Awwww.... thanks Nic, very sweet of you to say!

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Scientific Proof that Evolution is NOT Scientific!

by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

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friends

bruce malone, an outstanding scientist has absolute scientific proof that evolution is not scientific!.

bruce, a leading researcher for dow chemical for 30 years; he is one of the top 100 inventors eighteen of his inventions raised millions of dollars; and has a b.s.

degree in chemical engineering.

Viviane

throw away the evidence that many scientists, not only Bruce Malone, who have PhDs and Masters, who have produced scientific evidence to support creation

So, the reality is that no one, absolutely no one, has any evidence of creationism. Zero, none. It quite literally does not exist.

In fact, creationism asserts a supernatural event, whereas science only investigates the natural world, so it doesn't even make sense to say there is scientific proof of creation. Science cannot, by definition, investigate miracles.

Also, please understand that you are making the same mistakes that JWs and other fundamentalist religious people make, be they Baptist or Muslim. You are confusing the things you are even talking about.

Even IF creation were true, it has zero bearing on evolution. Evolution makes no statement or claim regarding the origin of life. It is solely and only concerned with what happened and continues to happen once life is started. The origin of life is completely separate from evolution, both of which are separate from the origin of the universe.

Also, just because someone has a masters or PHD doesn't make them qualified to discuss things outside their field of expertise or mean anything they say in their field will necessarily make any sense. For instance, if a mathematician suddenly starts claiming 2+2=3.14159... we would know not to take that seriously because it doesn't comport with reality in any way.

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Scientific Proof that Evolution is NOT Scientific!

by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

jw
friends

bruce malone, an outstanding scientist has absolute scientific proof that evolution is not scientific!.

bruce, a leading researcher for dow chemical for 30 years; he is one of the top 100 inventors eighteen of his inventions raised millions of dollars; and has a b.s.

degree in chemical engineering.

Viviane

My more cynical side says some people are just simply incapable of critical thought.

That may well be true. For instance, I am incapable of singing well. Perhaps critical thinking is like singing, some people just are physically wired for it.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

C'mon, the golden rule is a general rule to improve the relationships between humans and it works great, a lot better than anything that I know. If you nit-pick anything you are going to end up in complete nihilism. The golden rule is my moral compass and works quite well. I just don't waste my time thinking of off-the-wall and hypothetical scenarios to invalidate it. The rule is simple, keep it simple.

So then it's a good thing that you just happen to have run into people who want to be treated exactly the way you want to be treated or people that don't bother telling you they would like to be treated differently.

It's a presumptive rule. It's quite telling that the golden rule needs a rule to work.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

Confused? Complaint? You asked a question with respect to your opinion, I responded. If you can't handle answers you don't like, perhaps you shouldn't ask people questions.

I referred your original whine regarding me, the one where you didn't have the uh, fortitude, shall we say, to call me by name. So yes, you absolutely are confused.

Anyway, as I suggested, rather than continue to derail a thread because you've got some kind of hate boner for me, feel free to read my suggestion to Eden. I'll get you two a room and you can give each other sexy massages telling each other over and over what a terrible person I am.

I am done engaging with both of you.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

Accordingly, it's an observable fact that Vivian applies the Golden Rule by doing to others what she values others (her friends) do unto her. She verbally brutalizes others and their differentiated opinions and ideas in this forum because, well, that's what she expects that her friends do to her as a litmus test if her ideas are valid or not

Well, that's interesting because I don't verbally brutalize anyone, I brutally test ideas to see if they hold water. You really have a problem with accurately representing anything, it seems. You also don't know what "fact" means, clearly, but that's a different story.

Anyway, rather than follow me around from thread to thread telling me how terrible I am to you both, you and Twitch may want to consider getting a room and giving each other sexy rubdowns and massages while talking about what a terrible person I am and how bad I make you feel. How very, VERY bad I make you feel.

I'll even spring for the room, because I'm awesome like that.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

Interesting. So then, your comments were only editorial i.e. your opinion? Or is it a fact that the golden rule is a selfish, horrible idea? Do you have evidence of this? Please provide evidence of this, lol.

Not at all. Perhaps you're confused because your complaint has nothing to do with with the golden rule and what it means. Or perhaps you are just desperate for something to complain about. Only you know. Or don't, depending on how confused you are.

Which I did.

Well, you certainly think you did.

Actually you did, by asking me a question (see above)

Actually, I didn't. You responded prior to the question. That's called "order of events". Are you sure you aren't confused?

Are you telling me what to do?

Of course not. I am perfectly happy to let people say ridiculous things. It actually saves me quite a bit of work.

I get that you don't like me. You've said so. I also don't care in the least that you don't like me. I get that, for some reason, you like to post about me without saying it's about me but making it extremely obvious that's what you are doing.

I've no idea why, if you don't like me, you would feel the need to post in such a manner. It's very odd. Were I you, I would just say what I feel rather than obfuscate and wait for someone else to address what you are trying to say.

Maybe you're confused, maybe you want to tell me what you think but haven't quite worked up the courage, maybe you've a bit of an internet crush. Who can tell these things, but you, of course, and you aren't saying. It's certainly possible you don't even know.

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Is it common for old men to marry young JW?

by adjusted knowledge in

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friends

i left in the 90's and marriage partners were similar in age at my former congregation.

i ran into a former jw friend from my childhood.

i haven't seen him in 15 years.

Viviane

for one thing 20 years to me borderlines on perverted, pedifile ,behavior, cradle robbing, ect. and a female who goes after such an older man is not only mentally unbalanced to me, they have daddy issues. or caretaker issues.lol its just weird. i mean your 40 going after your daughters 20 yr old freind, ew . sorry.

How judgmental of you to decide two adults are pedophiles for dating.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

Anything you say that applies to how other people should think or behave

I don't tell people how to think or behave, so basically... none.

eh, whatever. Not interested in playing this game with you.

I wasn't playing any game. I simply asked you to clarify something. No one asked you to respond to me. If you didn't want to discuss, perhaps you should think before you enter a discussion.

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Golden Rule: Pure Garbage?

by willmarite in

on another thread a poster made the comment that the golden rule was garbage.

she said it was arrogant and made assumptions.. i didn't want to derail that thread so i started another wondering if this is a common thought about this belief on this forum.

i guess i naively thought the value of doing to others as you want them to do to you was generally accepted as positive.. i understand people have different opinions of jesus as a person but i don't want to get into that here.

Viviane

It seems that if someone should say the pages in his Bible are black print on white paper a few here might accuse him of being arrogant for actually believing he is capable of seeing the true colors of the ink and the paper

Well that's just utterly ridiculous. Colors have well defined objective values that can be measured.

She would ricochet away from almost everything I said even if I said something small or ordinary like- Honey how about going out to breakfast this Saturday- she would reply- why Saturday, why not Sunday, because you want to go to your useless meeting! It was relentless.

I'm sorry you are having marital troubles, but what does that have to do with this topic?

If I can say one thing that I hope will be something considered worthwhile here it is this: If you have started smoking STOP! Please stop. And thanks for listening.

That's good advice, but what does it have to do with this topic?