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  Is Prophecy important?

  by EA916 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, i am certainly new to all of this.

  i have recently been studying the prophecy's, and i was wondering if they are of any importance at all?

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  Viviane

  Your answer was better than Cofty's.

  Cofty's answer is excellent. You've not demonstrated why think your question is relevant.
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  Is Prophecy important?

  by EA916 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, i am certainly new to all of this.

  i have recently been studying the prophecy's, and i was wondering if they are of any importance at all?

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  Viviane

  Cofty - the may have been written by different people, but the teachings came mainly from the apostles and Paul. Most of the apostles were unlettered.

  What is your proof of that? The gospels contain stories and ideas that are never mentioned by Paul. In fact, he shows zero knowledge of the Jesus of the gospels. Very odd if he was the source of those teachings.

  So if the writings are false, explain how it circulated in a non-internet society. It is noted by many scolars that you could not preach the resurrection of Jesus to such a degree if it were a lie in those times.

  How did Zeus and Thor get to be well known in pre-internet times? Why do you associate the truth of an argument with how widely it was circulated? Also, who are these scholars and which of their works do you refer to?

  Yes you could find writings that apply to Prince Charles, but you could not find some 40 books written over such a period of time that could - with every parallel pointing to him.

  You don't have that.You have claims of that, but when examined, the writings clearly are not about Jesus or are just plan wrong.
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  74

  Is Prophecy important?

  by EA916 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, i am certainly new to all of this.

  i have recently been studying the prophecy's, and i was wondering if they are of any importance at all?

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  Viviane

  Do you have a first century source for you claim?

  The writings themselves are the source of that knowledge.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  JohnAmos,

  Was your intent to provide a prophecy that came true? If so, you've not done so.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  Well, you'll just have to wait then.

  Actually, I don't have to wait at all. People make that claim every day and every day it is proven wrong. With a 100% failure rate over ~4000 years, you can trust that I am in no way waiting for a prophecy in the Bible to come true.
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  74

  Is Prophecy important?

  by EA916 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, i am certainly new to all of this.

  i have recently been studying the prophecy's, and i was wondering if they are of any importance at all?

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  How can one man take all of the paralells relating to Esau-Jacob, Moses, Aaron, The Tabernacle, The Red Sea, prophecies relating to King David, heaps of stuff in Psalms - (the list is endless) fit into his life?

  Please tell me which specific parallels you are referring to, chapter and verse, and we can see how well it all fits together?

  Also, if these fishermen were such geniuses to understand the whole of the written word at the time and contort it to fit Jesus life - that would be a miracle in itself.

  The gospels were written by men not Jesus' apostles and written in Greek.

  I understand there are people here that are hurt by this organisation and don't believe. But let's not make the same mistakes that the org made us do. Cherry pick one scripture and misapply it.

  Cherry picking and misapplication is often how prophecy is derived. I don't understand how this is related to an organization, it's a problem endemic to Christianity itself.

  But as I began to deprogramme all of the crap and look at the bible as a whole, you can't deny that Jesus was the Messiah that was prophecied - it all points to him.

  I do deny it, therefore it can be denied.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  I just received a long PM from a poster trying show and amaze me at how accurate the Bible is at foretelling Jesus as the messiah and typing it to the 70 weeks in Daniel. It reminded of some of the threads going on today and I wanted to post my response here. I will not post the message to me, but I feel free to post my own words.

  Neverminding the fact that none of those mention Jesus and could be applied to anyone, let's look at those with the assumption that they are about Jesus: 1: Micah 5:2 - Jesus never became ruler over Israel. It fails the test of "did it actually happen". 2: Jeremiah 23:5 - Jesus never became ruler over Israel. It fails the test of "did it actually happen". 3: Mathew 1:18-23 - That's not a prophecy, that a recounting decades later. Perhaps you meant to include another verse? Even if you did, it's can't in any way be verified to have happened, so it doesn't lend anything to the idea of prophecy coming true. 4: Psalm 34:20 - That scripture talking about a generic righteous person and is in no way a prophecy about a messiah. It's an outright false claim to say that is a prophecy about a messiah. 5: Hosea 6:2 - That is a prophet speaking about what the Lord would do for them, not in any way a prophesy about a coming Messiah. It also says they would be revived after two, not three, days and that they were injured, not killed and dead. It's an outright false claim to say that a prophesy about a messiah.

  So far you've not provided anything even close to a prophecy about Jesus that came true (or is even about Jesus or a coming messiah). Not only does it not show the accuracy of the Bible, it highlights the complete wrongness of what is often claimed about what the Bible says.

  There is nothing in the Bible to say to interpret timelines to use a day for a year. That is something made up and layered on by later numerologists seeking to find meanings and dates in the Bible. You've not determined a starting point for that prophecy. Nothing in the text says that is the starting date. That's something you've added.

  In short, you've taken a vague text, added in ideas that appear nowhere in the original text, misconstrued and blatantly lied about what the text says and added in mythical "princicples" on how do specious math to arrive at a date for prophecies that don't actually exist.

  The only amazing thing here (since you suggested I would be amazed) is that you expected me to be duped by this utter chicanery and outright lies. Indeed, I am amazed anyone is duped by it.

  End PM. As it stands, I've yet to have anyone show me a prophecy from the Bible that came true.
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  Is Prophecy important?

  by EA916 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, i am certainly new to all of this.

  i have recently been studying the prophecy's, and i was wondering if they are of any importance at all?

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  3. 
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  Viviane

  viv, My pov is that we can certainly establish that the prophecy in Daniel 7 re the son of man setting up a kingdom was fulfilled and also that it is now in the process of being fulfilled.

  Your PoV is wrong, then.
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  Is Prophecy important?

  by EA916 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, i am certainly new to all of this.

  i have recently been studying the prophecy's, and i was wondering if they are of any importance at all?

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  Viviane

  And what is "lacking" during the night?

  Lacking? I've no idea what you mean. Lacking what? What result are expecting that something would lack?What do you think should be there that isn't?

  It has everything to do with what spiritual or spirituality is.

  Why the sky is the color is it is under a given set of conditions is well known, easily defined and provable. I've no idea why you think that has something to do with spirituality since you've not defined it. I await your explanation.
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  Is Prophecy important?

  by EA916 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello, i am certainly new to all of this.

  i have recently been studying the prophecy's, and i was wondering if they are of any importance at all?

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Forgive me this:
  The sky is blue and above our heads.
  Your turn...

  Unless it's night, of course. No idea what this has to do with you defining "spiritual" or "spirituality", however.