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  God's Spirit

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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  what is god's spirit?

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  i ask this of those who believe in god.

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  Viviane

  In terms of evidence, God's Holy Spirit is what the spiritually blind would see if they were not spiritually blind. Explaining what it is, is like explaining the color red to a person born blind.

  But, you can describe the color red to a blind person and describe real real things that produce the color red. You can also describe it in scientific terms. You can't do any of that with holy spirit. Indeed, all you can do is avoid discussing it in a way that would put you on the spot of having to describe it.

  To someone that sees, no need to look for an explanation.

  That's called willful ignorance.
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  God's Spirit

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
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  what is god's spirit?

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  i ask this of those who believe in god.

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  Viviane

  I was a Witness for a long time. They used every"shame and " this is what you should think" tactic known to man. I am tired.

  You mean like this line, that you wrote? "Look at who dosent [sic] post and not just who does."

  So, you tell someone what to do to learn something and then complain about people talking about how to think. It IS very revealing. It reveals that people who like to complain about things are often very guilty of that thing.
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  God's Spirit

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
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  what is god's spirit?

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  i ask this of those who believe in god.

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  Viviane

  Those atheists are the ones to read and to ask questions of. They dont have a secondary agenda.
  You can find them making intelligent posts in various places.
  Look at who dosent post and not just who does. It is very revealing.

  Indeed it is. It is quite interesting to see someone posting on a thread say intelligent people wouldn't post on it. It's like you didn't think through that comment.

  Since you seem to think people here have an agenda, let's figure that out. Who are these people? What is their agenda, specifically? How did you find this out? Did you talk to everyone? If not, how can you make claims about people you don't know and haven't talked to?

  I look forward to your answers, I am sure they will be very revealing.
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  God's Spirit

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is god's spirit?

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  i ask this of those who believe in god.

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  Viviane

  If all that atheists can add to the discussion is put downs and ad hominem jabbing insults then it doesn't bode well for defending their ideas.

  No one has made an attack on HMTM. False accusations don't help anyone.

  This forum would be a much more helpful place for folks seeking a way out of the clutches of the WT if instead of ridiculing each other we concentrated on exposing the abuses of confidence and human rights the JW Organization inflicts on people.

  Ridicule of a person is the rarity rather than the norm and the forum already does what you want. It also engages in social topics, discussions of religion in general, critical thinking and science.
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  God's Spirit

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
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  what is god's spirit?

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  i ask this of those who believe in god.

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  Viviane

  These type of threads usually disintegrate in to " I know the only correct thinking on this" threads

  That's usually how these sorts start, with a person telling us the Truth Straight From God.

  I think overly simplified, it comes down to the word energy.
  How energy is applied, who applies it and where (or when).

  What kind of energy? Electrical, thermal, gravitational? How can we detect it?
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  God's Spirit

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
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  what is god's spirit?

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  i ask this of those who believe in god.

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  Viviane

  God's spirit is the power that drives every living cell.

  What you've asked is what God's spirit is. What you've told us is what you believe it does. That would be like asking "What is a whiffydaglejam? It is what rolls downhill." Your answer, much like mine, hasn't told us anything. What is it? Well, what is it made of? How does it do the things you claim? How can we know that?

  Also, if that is true, then you are giving god credit for every form of cancer, MRSA and the black death. If god's spirit is what keeps cells alive, then the corollary to that is lack of that spirit is what kills them. Everything that has ever died is now the fault of God in your answer.

  an angel
  * God's dynamic power
  * God's mind
  * God the Father Himself
  * Jesus
  * A mysterious Third Divine Personage
  * A holy attitude

  You've not told us what god is, how a spirit can have a mind (indeed, what is spirit?), what this power is, what angels are, etc. You're simply replacing unexplained terms with other unexplained terms.

  There is an excellent thread on what spirit is (so far, no answer) if you think you can contribute.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/279886/what-spirit-exactly
  
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  By “evolution,” we mean “macroevolution”—apes turning into humans, for example.

  by FadingTruth in

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  august 2015 awake .

  quote in title taken from article footnote.. anyone have information on who gene hwang and yan-der hsuuw in the article are?.

  why do they repeatedly state that apes turned to humans when that's not what evolutionists teach at all?.

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  Viviane

  SimonSays, you aren't making any sense.
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  By “evolution,” we mean “macroevolution”—apes turning into humans, for example.

  by FadingTruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  august 2015 awake .

  quote in title taken from article footnote.. anyone have information on who gene hwang and yan-der hsuuw in the article are?.

  why do they repeatedly state that apes turned to humans when that's not what evolutionists teach at all?.

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  Viviane

  While one holds upon expansion, Creation descends from inception, i.e. point of origin. (LIFE) however complex these theories are, both cannot find an actual point of origin of life.
  For this purpose they both inherit the same standards by canceling each other theories as speculation. While one can be answered physically under man made proven hypothesizes the other can be proven by simple physical archeology.
  The inference that evolutionist writers conspire to suggest that a millennial amount of generational people somehow conspired to develop or orchestrated the ultimate lie of transition, would be in itself ludicrous.

  
  
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  Watchtower Society and Science

  by FusionTheism in

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  is the governing body's methods and practices all that much different from the way scientists work?.

  some prominent scientists and big media in the 1970's were pushing imminent disaster from global cooling.

  now its global warming and they all sweep the global cooling fiasco under the rug and act like it was just one or two rogue individuals.. other examples can be given: scientists being wrong on the eternal universe, black holes, whether eggs or coffee are healthy or harmful, presenting fake fossils, etc.

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  Viviane

  After all what has science done for us.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
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  Spirituality

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

  im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

  i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

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  Viviane

  But Harris is defining spirituality as (if I understand correctly) the effort to find ones "self". Based on his own experience he makes a compelling argument that this one aspect of eastern philosophy, the notion that there is no such duality as self and object because there is no self, is acceptable and real.

  I still don't know what that has to do with "spirit", through. Finding one's self or having new emotional experiences and seeking to understand yourself better has nothing to do with invisible, undetectable stuff that angels are supposedly made of. At that point, "spirituality" is a metaphor. Sam has just replaced one idea with a confusing word.

  its a very interesting book. I highly suggest it, and would appreciate your educated opinion on it.

  I am reading another book right now, when I am done I will try to pick this one up.