Posts by Viviane

you are always asking questions of believers and here I ask you (and other interlopers on this thread - myself included I guess) a simple question and you tell me to look it up.

I asked what was meant in the context the word was used because,in the context of the discussion, what is meant by "significant deviation" isn't clear. Deviations can vary by order of magnitude depending on context. Hence the request for clarification.

I don't ask people to define words from a dictionary, I ask for the contextual nuance critical to understanding what they are saying.

So I repeat what do you (and anyone who does not believe in god) think process means?

You're still free to look it up. There is no contextual nuance.

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God's Spirit

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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friends

what is god's spirit?

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i ask this of those who believe in god.

Viviane

No I am not

Of course you are, Fisherman. You've not been able to objectively show us there is anything call spirit. Being spiritually blind is the conclusion. You're attempting to skip over the "show it exists" part and simply claim we just can see it. That's assuming the conclusion is true in the premise.

Simply attempting to say blind people can't see red, therefore Jesus because empirical evidence shows that not only do you need to re-take that physics class, but also learn a bit about blind people and what they can do (you wouldn't imagine), learn about how to construct an argument and use critical thinking.

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God's Spirit

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

what is god's spirit?

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i ask this of those who believe in god.

Viviane

The spiritually blind (it is a blindness of the mind) are spiritually deaf too. They do not understand.

You're assuming the premise in the conclusion. That's a giant error on your part. You cannot explain spirit, spirituality, what it is, how we can objectively determine if it exists, detect it, etc. You've done nothing but claim it exists and then proceed from there. You've given no reason for anyone to think you done anything.

You have all your work ahead of you.

Not only did I look at the experiment, but I also observed, understood and concluded.

That has nothing to do with this. A blind person could also perform that experiment. I've no idea why you brought that up.

God's Holy Spirit is "empirical" evidence of God

If you can't show or otherwise demonstrate it to me, then it's not empirical in any way, quotation marks or not. You apparently need to re-take that physics class to learn what empirical evidence is.

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God's Spirit

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

what is god's spirit?

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i ask this of those who believe in god.

Viviane

what is a process? (your reply may enable clarification for both sides of this argument)

It's a word you should look up.

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God's Spirit

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

what is god's spirit?

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i ask this of those who believe in god.

Viviane

Any significant deviation, any significant genetic mutation in any of its parts corrupts the whole system.

Well that's just wrong.

Oh, and define "significant". What does that mean in this context?

Science did not give me that. Neither did a blind process called evolution nor its mother abiogenesis.

Actually, evolution did give you that. Science is a process, I've no idea what you expect it to do on it's own.

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God's Spirit

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

what is god's spirit?

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i ask this of those who believe in god.

Viviane

In terms of evidence, God's Holy Spirit is what the spiritually blind would see if they were not spiritually blind. Explaining what it is, is like explaining the color red to a person born blind.

But, you can describe the color red to a blind person and describe real real things that produce the color red. You can also describe it in scientific terms. You can't do any of that with holy spirit. Indeed, all you can do is avoid discussing it in a way that would put you on the spot of having to describe it.

To someone that sees, no need to look for an explanation.

That's called willful ignorance.

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God's Spirit

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

what is god's spirit?

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i ask this of those who believe in god.

Viviane

I was a Witness for a long time. They used every"shame and " this is what you should think" tactic known to man. I am tired.

You mean like this line, that you wrote? "Look at who dosent [sic] post and not just who does."

So, you tell someone what to do to learn something and then complain about people talking about how to think. It IS very revealing. It reveals that people who like to complain about things are often very guilty of that thing.

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God's Spirit

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

what is god's spirit?

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i ask this of those who believe in god.

Viviane

Those atheists are the ones to read and to ask questions of. They dont have a secondary agenda.
You can find them making intelligent posts in various places.
Look at who dosent post and not just who does. It is very revealing.

Indeed it is. It is quite interesting to see someone posting on a thread say intelligent people wouldn't post on it. It's like you didn't think through that comment.

Since you seem to think people here have an agenda, let's figure that out. Who are these people? What is their agenda, specifically? How did you find this out? Did you talk to everyone? If not, how can you make claims about people you don't know and haven't talked to?

I look forward to your answers, I am sure they will be very revealing.

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God's Spirit

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

what is god's spirit?

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i ask this of those who believe in god.

Viviane

If all that atheists can add to the discussion is put downs and ad hominem jabbing insults then it doesn't bode well for defending their ideas.

No one has made an attack on HMTM. False accusations don't help anyone.

This forum would be a much more helpful place for folks seeking a way out of the clutches of the WT if instead of ridiculing each other we concentrated on exposing the abuses of confidence and human rights the JW Organization inflicts on people.

Ridicule of a person is the rarity rather than the norm and the forum already does what you want. It also engages in social topics, discussions of religion in general, critical thinking and science.