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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

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  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Viviane

  Well, you implied there are at least two.

  I didn't imply that at all. I made a distinction between two classes of items, that that can not every have the ability to have a believe in god and one that currently doesn't but will have the ability at some point.

  Or are you saying that they are atheist in the same way then?

  Or? Why "or"? I never made a claim nor implied anything that would require a logically exclusive "or" here.

  Let me net it out for you since there seems to be confusion. Plants can't ever not lack a belief in god. Babies, at the stage of their development, do not currently posses the ability to have a belief in god and thus lack a belief in god.

  Both lack belief in god.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Viviane

  The pride remark was directed to viv as she expressed her pride in me after i expressed my self approval at having rejuvenated this thread.

  I suspect that's not the only thing you've every directed at me...

  So, I think that would qualify for a "very expensive Scotch" kind of gal.

  Oh, well, that's awesome :) Thanks for that.

  Why yes Viv, dionysus allows me to indulge in copious amounts of MaCallan 18 year, Its not the most expensive but it is my favorite. I am a whore for Islay scotches as well.

  Oh, I do love the Islay scotches. Macallan is very respectable at any age. See if you can get your hands on a bottle of Big Peat Christmas blend. OMG SO GOOD NOM NOM NOM GET IN MY BELLY
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Viviane

  OK, then Ill ask you again. How are we supposed to understand this?

  I understand it perfectly. How are you supposed to understand it? I dunno, take some classes on Coursera in logic, philosophy, science, etc. That would be a good start.

  Either they don't lack a belief in God OR, you are saying that plants are Atheists...
  It is as simple as that.

  I just answered that. Try and keep up.

  In what way are babies atheist if it is not lack of belief?

  Babies lack belief in god. I've been consistently saying that. Try and keep up.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Viviane

  I was not aware you used two atheist definitions, whats the different between them? Which one do you use on a baby and which one do you use on a plant?

  I didn't use two. Ever. Try and keep up, dear.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Viviane

  Dionysus the god of wine is the one true god,

  I'm more of a "very expensive Scotch" kind of gal. Is there a god for that?
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Viviane

  Then babies cant be atheist either since the claim is that they are atheists because they cant conceive of the notion. Hence, "don't believe anything".

  That was never my argument at all. That's the argument you keep trying (and failing, BTW) to CLAIM I am making. Stop making things up, or at the very least try to start understanding the words on the screen that I am writing.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Viviane

  Either they don't lack a belief in God OR, you are saying that plants are Atheists...

  Plants are atheist by necessity since they lack even the ability to have and belief in god and thus the belief itself. That has nothing to do with babies, rocks, poop, magical unicorns in my dogs butt or your butchering logic.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Viviane

  You can be meaner? Yet you take every opportunity to insult me...

  In fact, I've never insulted you. You appear to have personal feelings tied to your argument, thus, when your argument is shown to be poor and damaged, that affects your emotions. That's not me insulting you in any way nor being the least bit mean to you.

  Since you are unable to defend this point, I conclude that babies are not Atheists. Because that is what the argumentwas about.

  On the contrary, your question was logically invalid, thus any conclusion based on it is necessarily wrong. I mean, you agreed that your question was logically unsound. What in the world makes you think that because it's unsound you can draw conclusions on it.

  It shows that you indeed can know whether or not you know something without having thought about it.

  This is just more proof that you are using the opposite of logic, arguments and words in any way that makes sense.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Viviane

  So which is it? Are plants Atheists or may they not lack a belief in God?

  Dude, you are off the rails on this. I've no idea what point you are trying to make or how you are trying to connect them. Certainly, attempting to force a logically exclusive operator into a question to me regarding something I've never claimed had to be one or the other regarding classes of items that have abilities that render the entire question the mental equivalent utterly pointless act of punching yourself in the balls and asking me why I am hurting your.

  In other words, you're attempting to conflate a class of item, plants and dogs, that do not and never can have the ability to have a belief in god (and therefore by necessity must lack it) with a class of items that don't have it at a given time, specifically babies, but will, in most cases, develop that ability.

  In short, your question is dumb.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Viviane

  That is just a nice way of excusing deliberately misunderstanding my arguments...

  I can be meaner about pointing out where you are conflating words, improperly using logic and failing to construct a valid argument, if you're into that sort of thing.

  I'm in no way misunderstanding them, they're just.. bad arguments. Incorrect use of words. Crappy logic. Your problem, not mine.