Posts by Viviane

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

I know Viviane, I have used a telescope and seen the satellites. But from the moon we should be able to see the earth and all the satellites orbiting planet earth!

Well, I look at the moon all the time it's a satellite. We do see ISS orbiting with telescopes all the time, it's a satellite. What are you expecting to see? Do you understand how telescopes work? Why do you assume a telescope shout be able to see every satellite orbiting the earth?

the world outside our planet is a fascinating one and I know I'm talking with lack of knowledge about our galaxie, but help me find the answers to my questions

So far you aren't really posting questions, just making uninformed claims.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

Suavojr,"If you believe everything the governments and Nasa say to us, you are just being naïve."

Well, there's also the logic of Suavojr making that claim and then using a NASA promotional video as something we should trust as evidence to not trust them.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

At what time in the video does "NASA" admit they "can't get past the Van Allen belts"? Be specific.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

Why don't they shows us the earth with all the satellites orbiting around?

Who is they and what are you asking to see? We see pictures of satellites orbiting all the time. There is an app that shows you where they are, websites that do the same, I see them personally all the time. What, specifically, are you expectations?

Why is Nasa saying they need to figure out how to cross the Van Allen belt for their Mars mission? Didn't we figure this out back in the 60's?

They didn't, the "article" you linked to as "evidence" is, and I am going to be polite about this, shit written by morons willfully taking things out of context in order to support their fucknutter position.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

Humans have landed on the moon multiple times, there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary including TV footage, technology left behind, photographs and evidence brought back.

If there is something specific that inclines you to think it was faked, let me know :)

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Viviane

predicted ca 760 B.C: Amos predicts Israel would be restored as a nation and would never be uprooted again. ( Amos 9: 15)

How can we tell is it's fulfilled if there is a "never" clause in it? Also, the UN re-created Israel. The prophecy also says the mountains will drip sweet wine and the hills will be dissolved. Has any of this happened? Hint, it has not, therefore, no prophecy has been fulfilled.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

Am I needed here for anything?

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We can now estimate the absolute minimum number of child abuse cases

by Viviane in

vincent tool said that he is exclusively working the phones for child abuse cases, but never said he is not the only one.

for now, let's assume the rate of abuse cases averages over time to the three or four cases he gets per month.

let's further assume that, since he isn't the only person working the phones and is on vacation at some point, the number is 4-5 per month, or 4.5 per month.

Viviane

I identified the flaw in your numbers, formulated the fix, did the research and posted the results in about 2 min. That seems pretty impressive

Two minutes for you is impressive. All the ladies say say. Well, it's in the personal section of CL, anyway, they could be ladies. Plus, I took care of my own problem before you came around. ;)

The only reasonable way to extrapolate would to be do it by country stats. Number of cases per 1000 of child sexual abuse in a given country then reduced it out to the same ratio per 1000 of jw in the same country.

I don't think that would works to get us close (but, so far the closest). The reason for that is that insular, secretive religions tend to have serial molesters with victims at the ready, often in a position of authority and friends in power ready to defend him, something an offender in the general population doesn't generally have.

It's a better number than we have now, but the problem is that this has been hidden for so long, distorted, records destroyed, etc., with all of these churches, that we've no real way to estimate what the number may be because of this and a variety of other reasons.

We need the LIST!

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We can now estimate the absolute minimum number of child abuse cases

by Viviane in

vincent tool said that he is exclusively working the phones for child abuse cases, but never said he is not the only one.

for now, let's assume the rate of abuse cases averages over time to the three or four cases he gets per month.

let's further assume that, since he isn't the only person working the phones and is on vacation at some point, the number is 4-5 per month, or 4.5 per month.

Viviane

lol i wouldnt call a google search "a lot of work" but i admit im slightly irritate that we both got statistically the same number

Oh, well, I was just trying to make you sound more impressive. I like my men impressive....(and that's what Fermi estimations are for!)

Fermi Estimates, for those who aren't physics nerds....

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I sent this to Angus Stewart this morning (Easter Standard Time)

by Viviane in

i just sent this email to angus stewart:.

i hope this email finds you well.

i would like to say thank you for your work on the royal commission, particularly in your handling of the jehovah's witnesses elders and experts during questioning.

Viviane

I would be careful with publicly presenting the e-mail sent by mr. Stewart. In fact it's breach of confidentiality. I'm not so sure mr. Stewart will appreciate this, Viviane. I don't mean to criticise you, I'm just worried that your good intentions might harm mr. Stewart, while he's doing such a great job and even is so polite to reply to the messages he receives.

No worries. I get criticized all the time.

Posting his email is not a breach of privacy. Legally, it's no different that repeating a conversation we had. We had not privileged relationship, no contract of confidentiality, the very nature of email means that there are at least several copies of it spread around the world outside of either of our control, there was no disclaimer (which are 99.9% useless) in the email, he wasn't sending me confidential info, etc. Whether or not someone likes it or it is etiquette, etc., is a different conversation, but in this specific case, there was no breach of any kind of confidentiality.