Viviane

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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
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  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  Vivianne. This is a debating board in which we can cross pollinate and share our thinking.

  Agreed, I am trying to understand your thinking and figure out if you understand it.

  My question " Am I right in thinking NASA lost the origional footage?" Was asked because I have watched a documentary on the moon landing that claimed the origional footage was lost. I therefore thought the question relevant to the debate.

  First, whether or not humans landed on the moon is as much of a debate as asking "Do owls exist" or "are there hats" (props to JO).

  Secondly, I asked have you looked into it. You haven't, which is fine. Also, I'm trying to determine why you think it is relevant since you don't know anything about it. It's like asking whether or not the moon is made of cheese because you once saw an old cartoon of a mouse eating the moon and it was made of cheese.

  What effort have you personally put into researching this and determining whether or not there was any relevance?
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  Well, that's what we do with the so called "JW Truth", their own words condemns the WT fallacy.

  No... no it's not. You're asking us to trust them to tell the truth in order to trust they are lying in order to believe a conspiracy theory. The JWs are an isolationist doomsday bloodcult operating in a relatively well known fashion for an isolationist doomsday blood cult.

  It's well know that these cults have public and secret levels of information. You're asking us to believe that NASA is confirming it has secret information by believing their public information, the opposite of what we do with JWs.

  I'm sorry I had no education because I've been peddling WT magazines during the weekends. The reality is, that Nasa cannot get our full confidence just because they shows us nice pictures and tell us what we are looking at.

  First, "no education" is not the same as "uninformed". You could do all the research needed in the space of an afternoon on any of these questions, don't blame the WT because you've not used google. Secondly, you've shown no reason to distrust NASA and they do far more than show "pretty pictures" and tell us what we are looking at. Have you bothered at all to look at the full scope of what NASA does?

  All I want is the truth, and Nasa is not our God and should not be the only source for truth. A cover-up is very unlikely but it is not impossible for them to hide crucial information because it would be too much for the people to take.

  Well, I suggest that, rather than making uninformed assertions using logical contradictions, you do some work to get at the truth of the matter. It's all out there for anyone to see, but it's not going to be handed to you without you doing any of the work.
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  The " moon landing" is one of the most significant achievements in the history of mankind. Am I right in thinking NASA lost the original raw footage?

  What does that have to do with whether or not we landed on the moon? Have you looked into whether or not the "originals" were lost?

  Nowadays it seems everyone is talking about getting to Mars and making a base. I would have thought the logical option would be to go to the moon first, it is a lot closer, and from the moon onwards to Mars?

  Have you looked into discovering why that is so before jumping off the cliff and into thinking "Mars base = moon landing faked"?
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  But I do believe it was possible to have faked the moon landing. And I do think I raised some good questions on this debate that haven't been answered,

  What questions specifically?
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  I know Viviane, I have used a telescope and seen the satellites. But from the moon we should be able to see the earth and all the satellites orbiting planet earth!

  Well, I look at the moon all the time it's a satellite. We do see ISS orbiting with telescopes all the time, it's a satellite. What are you expecting to see? Do you understand how telescopes work? Why do you assume a telescope shout be able to see every satellite orbiting the earth?

  the world outside our planet is a fascinating one and I know I'm talking with lack of knowledge about our galaxie, but help me find the answers to my questions

  So far you aren't really posting questions, just making uninformed claims.
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  Suavojr,"If you believe everything the governments and Nasa say to us, you are just being naïve."

  Well, there's also the logic of Suavojr making that claim and then using a NASA promotional video as something we should trust as evidence to not trust them.
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  At what time in the video does "NASA" admit they "can't get past the Van Allen belts"? Be specific.
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  579

  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  Why don't they shows us the earth with all the satellites orbiting around?

  Who is they and what are you asking to see? We see pictures of satellites orbiting all the time. There is an app that shows you where they are, websites that do the same, I see them personally all the time. What, specifically, are you expectations?

  Why is Nasa saying they need to figure out how to cross the Van Allen belt for their Mars mission? Didn't we figure this out back in the 60's?

  They didn't, the "article" you linked to as "evidence" is, and I am going to be polite about this, shit written by morons willfully taking things out of context in order to support their fucknutter position.
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  Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was fooled by the witnesses.

  what can i learn from that?

  not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

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  Viviane

  Humans have landed on the moon multiple times, there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary including TV footage, technology left behind, photographs and evidence brought back.

  If there is something specific that inclines you to think it was faked, let me know :)
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  predicted ca 760 B.C: Amos predicts Israel would be restored as a nation and would never be uprooted again. ( Amos 9: 15)

  How can we tell is it's fulfilled if there is a "never" clause in it? Also, the UN re-created Israel. The prophecy also says the mountains will drip sweet wine and the hills will be dissolved. Has any of this happened? Hint, it has not, therefore, no prophecy has been fulfilled.