Posts by Viviane

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

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so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

A good point Viv and Oubliette, but as you can see from the link, it was not myself, but this privaliged school that referred to the topic " Did man land on the moon?" As a debate.

So? Schools teach things incorrectly and wrong things all the time.

Maybe rather than shoot the messenger, you should take it up with the school governors?

Well, no. That would be ridiculous. Think about this. You started this thread, brought up the moon landing, suggested to truthers had valid arguments, demanded evidence from others instead of doing the work yourself, have mischaracterized the issue as a debate, claimed your child's school is now taking up the cause and are now looking for anything to back you up and now you're attempting to shift who we should take it up with.

Nope. It's you. You've put yourself in this position.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

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so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

Anyway I am sure we have many more examples of primary's schools that think this debate is relevant for children aged 10, and not a stupid debate.

It's not a debate. For it to be a debate, there would have to be valid evidence on both sides.

Besides, one school doing something has nothing to do with another school doing it. It's an uninformed false equivalency.

The shape of the universe is something mathematicians, scientists, philosophers ,and curious people have wondered, and still wonder. Is it flat like a sphere?or negatively curved like a saddle ?or flat like a piece of paper.? shall we ask the children of kenninghall primary school? Why not?

First, every single bit of evidence points towards a flat universe. Second, from your "examples" of the shape of the universe, it's clear you don't grasp what flat, closed or open means in the context of the shape of the universe. Third, the students at kenninghall have no concept of physics or math involved. Why should you ask them? Their opinion would be uninformed and pointless.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

My post was however directed at Oubliett

It's on a public discussion forum, you don't get to choose who responds.

My attitude to jobs and money,is find something that you love to do, live largely on little and appreciate health is wealth..

That's fine for you, however you took an attitude of disdain towards jobs, making money and education. Apparently your attitude is also "attempt to publicly shame those who make different choices".

I think the above posts were a little off topic.

Agreed. That was valuable time you could have spent doing moon landing research. Waste not, want not.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

We would both agree it's a wonderful privalige to have an education, which is something denied the children in " Niger"
However privaliged education often results in nothing more than getting " jobs with the boys" and making money.

However? There is no point/counter-point there, just your low opinion of education, work and money.

If children of 10 can learn to copy a Rembrant why can't they learn to question?

Because "just asking questions" isn't learning to question. It teaching them that it's OK to be stupid.

if children of 10 can be taught to play chess to a high standard why can't a child of 10 be taught " The Answers Exist" it's the " Questions, that do not"

They already are. That's called Sunday School, Vacation Bible School and church. We need less of that and more critical thinking.

You as a " professional" educator seem to think I am really stupid. Why?

Most likely the mountains of evidence you keep providing supporting that notion.

I probably do not fit in to your intellectual snobbery

It's snobbish to learn things and to know how to think? That, in a nutshell, is your problem.

but I have a successful marriage, a well balanced child of 10 who can fish, play football and can question. I can play guitar, sell my art so I don't need to work. I have my mortgage paid off, whatever...I can also believe the UNIVERSES may be flat, and question that man landed on the moon.

So, you complain about jobs and money, then brag about your job and how you've managed to pay off a mortgage. That right there is a major facepalm for you. Or at least is should be. Also, none of those thinks involves critical thinking skills and thus are irrelevant to the topic.

why have you on each post you have made on this thread tried to undermine my point of view, and make me look foolish on a wide world web?

Oh, he's not the one making you look foolish on the world wide web.

To me this is not how a professional educator behaves.

Why not? You're learning something, so it seems he is doing his job (gratis, no less).

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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

Viviane

Pot, meet kettle

Worse than than, I think, Lisa. He's trying to claim that a spoon is the same as a pot.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

579

Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

Yes but being dumber seems to be a quality that is in demand and may be a marketable skill these days. As evidenced by 400 or so posts in this subject area!

Sadly, I've no choice but to agree with that.

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Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

by LAWHFol in

i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

"atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

Viviane

However I still stand by view point, that it is Inappropriate for an Atheist to attempt to Destroy the Beliefs / Faith of another, if the Atheist is non committal.

Why? Is it appropriate for Christians to tell me I am going to be tortured for all eternity because I have better thinking skills than they do?

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

I wondered also whether they had lost the footage of these other landings and whether they had been examined closely by more knowledgeable persons as to their authenticity.

If you are truly interested instead of "just asking questions", it would be trivially easy to find that out.

Many years later and neither of us believe that this first moon landing by man is real. To be specific, what we saw as children on Television was not real.

First, why is television randomly capitalized? Second, you're opinion is wrong. There are mountains of evidence proving you wrong.

They had so much to gain by faking it.

What, specifically, did they have to gain?

We are not scientists and even if we were we would still need to have worked or have knowledge of this specialized field. I say this because it means that there are not a great deal of people who would be qualified enough to say whether the moon landing in 1969 was possible and whether the USA had the capability to do so at the time.

They are hundreds of thousands of people qualified to say, and they all say "yes, we did".

It is amazing how NASA managed to have the event televised around the World onto our Television with very little problems. For years after it was very difficult to transmit live from overseas, it wasn't a common event and rarely went smoothly.

These are two completely unrelated topics.

It was enlightening to see the public reaction to the claim that Iraq was hiding a large amount of weapons of mass destruction. It wasn't worth the angst in trying to tell others that we were being lied to but to see them agreeing to send people over there to fight a war was shocking. Unfortunately the propaganda machine is much more powerful than a few doubters.

Also an unrelated topic. However, there was at the time plenty of opposition to the Iraq invasion and belief that the government was not being honest.

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

Viviane

My previous questions were raised, because in MY opinion, by employing ex NAZI scientists NASSA lost their ability to be trusted as an organisation of integrity

Why? What do you think being a member of the Nazi party meant? What do you think ex-Nazi party members were supposed to do with their life?

However I think that is a separate issue from my above point

It is literally the exact same issue.

In answer I would say I have had to put my boxing gloves on a few times, and I have definitly lost a few rounds, but I think the thread has given validity on the discussion both for and against.

So far there has been no debate for you to lose. All that's happened is you have asked a lot of questions without doing any research and promoted some conspiracy theories, all while studiously avoided any sort of quality thinking and educating yourself from reliable sources on the subject while suggesting other fact and evidence free ideas.

As it stands, the only thing this thread has shown is a dire need to begin education on critical thinking at an early age.

Everything thus takes us back to the question of " government" trying mastery over the minds of its citizens.

And this is one of those example of a lack of critical thinking.

So to conclude FREE discussion, should never be mocked or ridiculed,. Which is why as I said earlier, I am delighted as a consequence of starting this thread and my boy of 10 mentioning the subject in class," Young citizens" are going to debate the subject as a school project.

Well, yes, it's absolutely appropriate to mock discussion if it is deserving of it. Also, unless they're being taught how to evaluate evidence and quality thinking skills first, any "debate" like that (because there is no debate) will simply serve to make a lot of those kids dumber.