Viviane

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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Viviane

  Some day it may be legal for a man to marry a very young boy. It will not be considered illegal or child abuse.

  What does that conjecture have to do with reality?
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Viviane

  I have not asserted.

  Here is a direct quote from you asserting that she is refusing to endorse gay marriage:

  She refuses to endorse ss marriages.The Bible teaches that homosexual (ss) conduct is bad and also teaches tohate what is bad.

  You absolutely did make that assertion, your denial of that fact is 100% untrue. Now that we have established the facts, why do you think you should escape the consequences of your actions?
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Viviane

  Do not get angry with me viv, but that is an assertion.

  It's an incorrect assertion, one you are making. Why do you feel you should escape the consequences of your actions?
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Viviane

  They cannot force her to endorse gay marriages, but they can enforce a Court Order.

  No one is asking her to endorse gay marriage. You are using the word "endorse" incorrectly.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Viviane

  I do not. When did religion push government to do their job and put gays in jail in the US for their "crimes?"

  One case that comes to mind is when Focus on the Family, a right wing-nut religious group, filed an amicus brief in Lawrence v. Texas where sodomy was illegal, urging the Supreme Court to allow sodomy and homosexual behavior to be criminalized.

  JW would never try to prevent gays from getting married or to have them jailed or executed.

  Irrelevant.

  It is a circuitous tactic to get her for contempt, but not for refusing to endorse gay marriages-they couldn't, so they used the catch-all device.

  It's not circuitous at all. She is refusing to obey a lawful order of the court, something that she sought and swore to do as a condition of her job. Nor is she jailed for refusing to endorse gay marriage. Not one person is being asked to endorse gay marriage. She simply needs to, issue, sign and file marriage paperwork if properly submitted and executed. No endorsement is necessary, despite your attempts to pretend endorse means something it doesn't.

  Honesty and education... you should try those. You would be wrong far less often.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Viviane

  Well, you're still wrong and uninformed and seem to have no plans to change either of those things. There is exactly zero point in talking to you as it's an absolute waste of time, energy and information.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Viviane

  I mean if you did not want to disclose it.

  Why would I want to disclose anything?

  Also, looking things up on the internet does not mean you have all of the facts.

  Very true and utterly irrelevant to the facts (which you've not bothered to look up).

  And when viv says something is a fact does not make it a fact

  Also very true and utterly irrelevant to the facts (which I provided you).
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Viviane

  Viv, are you an attorney?

  Great question!

  You can PM me.

  I've no reason to PM you.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Viviane

  Fisherperson, you not being sure about the validity of her argument is irrelevant. She is not upholding the law or her oath. That is fact. She IS only doing her job when she feels like it. You not being sure, remaining uninformed, trying to muddy the waters have nothing to do with the facts.

  The fact is she swore to uphold the law. Another fact is that she is not. Yet another fact is that judges cannot do whatever they want. One more fact is that you are uninformed and wrong in every single thing you have said. A final fact is that she in no way has to endorse a marriage to sign it, despite your attempt to try to redefine words to suits your lack of knowledge.

  As far as knowing whether or not her claim is invalid, she has lost every challenge and no more are left. She lost, her claim is invalid. Every single person who actually understands the issues grasped that. That you didn't, freely admit that you are uninformed on the matter and have made no attempt to bother to learn the facts makes your laughing little more than personification of the phrase "ignorance is bliss". And trust me, you were never arguing to win. Heck, you don't even have an argument. You've nothing but being uninformed and happy about that.

  In essence, you're why we can't have nice things.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Viviane

  She does. The license requires her signature

  Her signature is not an endorsement, but merely acknowledgement that it meets the requirements of the law and that the license will be filed if turned in properly signed.