Posts by Viviane

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

The medical definition is also the chemical definition. You haven't offered a better definition. All readers of your posts will know you are not able to correct me as I am correct.

I don't have to offer anything better, I'm not the one making a claim. Yet another proof point that you're fundamentally unaware of how science works....

Tell you what, if you think you are correct, why don't you go to somewhere and show us a consensus on the definition of homochirality from reputable chemists, universities and scholarly works. I've got several at the ready, but I am disinclined to do your work for you.

With respect to the bogus website, you having never been there in no way means you aren't using their bogus argument. Also, anyone that respects knowledge, evidence, facts and reality has nothing to offer those such as yourself that reject reality in favor of magical thinking.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

The Bible contains information that took science many more centuries to discover.

Such as?

The creation itself testifies to us having been created.

I really wish fundies would learn what a tautology is.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

Nobody can or can't prove the existence of God, but we a free to believe as we wish without fear of being shunned by society, sadly some are shunned for their views by JWs.

As soon as you are able to define what god you are talking about, we can move that discussion forward.

Also, you are confusing "shunning" with "debating ideas". No one is shunning anyone.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

Yes I do, because its personal to me and I love Chemistry. As soon as chemistry proves otherwise I will change my views. I actually disagree and feel the evidence shows guided evolution.

Your emotions have nothing to do with how chemistry works or what constitutes evidence.

Yes that is exactly what a homochiral mixture is.

You're mixing medical terms with specific terms in chemistry, Kate, a sure sign that someone is attempting to support a tenuous position by confusing the muddying the waters. In chemistry, what you are saying is NOT what homochiral means.

You are quick to tell posters what you think is wrong about my chemistry but you don't actually correct me. This proves you don't know what you're talking about

Yes, we know you don't know what "proof" or "evidence" is. You didn't need to provide us with another example.

BTW, I've noticed that your entire argument is lifted from the website www.godandscience.com, a website that uses junk science, bad information and flat out lies in order support their notion that the Bible is scientific or that science proves god somehow.

They don't know how science works, either.

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Has NASA discoverd flowing water on Mars?

by The Rebel in

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nasa is holding a press conference today entiltled " mars mystery solved".

speculation is they will announce the discovery of flowing water on mars?.

the significance of this is that it raises the possibility of possible past life or future existence on the planet.. the rebel..

Viviane

Where we find water, we find life or at least that's the case on earth.

Well, in ONE place where we know there is liquid water we know there is life.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

Normally when talking in layman's terms we would describe enantionmers as being the same molecule but a mirror image just like a left and right hand.

You can use technical terms, you don't need to use "laymans" terms.

In fact, if you're laying out a scientific position, "layman's terms" are the exact opposite of what you should be doing. If you want to discuss homochirality, just say it.

They have all the same properties and when formed in the lab the left and right hand form a racemic mixture which is 50% of each enantiomer or stereo isomer.

So far so good.....

Soai showed that an auto catalyst was involved in order for a majority of left handed molecules only were formed in nature.

No, that's not what the Saoi reaction shows.

The L-enantiomer in nature is not a slight surplus it's a huge majority. This is called a homochiral mixture.

That is not what homochiral means.

Cofty said all this means there is no magic involved. This statement is strawman and has no substance.

That is not what a strawman is.

Cofty said he can prove God does not exist. How has he proved proved this to me?

Define "God" in such a way that it can be proved or disproved.

I am not saying it's magic, I am saying an auto catalyst is evidence of guidance.

You misuse the word "evidence". You've shown no chain of linkage, not employed the null hypotheses, not shown causation or correlation.

Nobody has proven my chemistry is wrong. Where is the evidence Viv?

You've not done any chemistry. You've incorrectly posted what Soai reaction is, what it shows, incorrectly used the word "homochiral", incorrectly added the words "only in nature" where it doesn't belong, not shown a shred of evidence for your claims and misunderstood what a strawman it.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

No I haven't my facts are correct all you have to do is google enantiomers. My chemistry is correct cofty. You say you have proof God does not exist and all you can say is that I have misrepresented the facts.

It's been proven time and time again that you've no idea what you're talking about. Simply repeating that you're correct shows that you've no idea what constitutes evidence, how a chain of evidence works and that your understanding of chemistry in general, much less specifically organic chemistry, is high school level at best.

am a chemical analyst and I have other chemical analysts on this board that can back me up about homochirality and racemic mixtures.

Clearly state your position that you think is correct.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

Viviane

Everyone believes in God. It is instinctual. There hasn't ever been a culture without belief in God.

Which god and what do you mean by "culture"?

No you haven't been able to prove to me with evidence that a creator was not responsible for guiding evolution and especially the formation of enantiomers. The Soai reaction is not substantial evidence it just proves that in nature there is an auto catalyst. This is really evidence of guidance rather than chance formation.

It's been proved, just not to you because you've not bothered to learn enough to understand the evidence. The problem is not lack of proof presented to you, it's lack of effort to understand it on your part.

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Has NASA discoverd flowing water on Mars?

by The Rebel in

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friends

nasa is holding a press conference today entiltled " mars mystery solved".

speculation is they will announce the discovery of flowing water on mars?.

the significance of this is that it raises the possibility of possible past life or future existence on the planet.. the rebel..

Viviane

Aliens or even microbes don't exist on other planets.

At best, that is your uninformed opinion.

The last time NASA found water particles on Mars it was revealed it came from human technology from earth.

Incorrect.

clear favourite is water has been discovered.

Water HAS been found on Mars already.

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EXACTLY Why JW's Are NOT Christian

by Perry in

a lot of people, ex-jws, believers and unbelievers alike, think that jw's are just a somewhat kooky brand of christianity.

is it possible to "try and follow jesus" and not be christian?

what exactly makes someone a christian?

Viviane

Belief that Jesus existed and even doing good works in his name doesn't make a person a Christian, or make themcovered by the new covenant.
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

Interestingly, Perry, this example you used to prove your point is one of the passages we know that Jesus never would have said. Why, you may ask?

It's a pun! More specifically, it's a pun that only makes sense in Greek. In Aramaic or Hebrew, Nicodemus never would have confused the words for spiritual birth and physical birth, they are totally different. But in Greek, however, the words were the same.

This passage, to make sense, could ONLY have been spoken in Greek, not any language two Jews would have been speaking to each other at that time and place with their backgrounds.