So, where are we? No one can define god in a way that doesn't make their god either irrelevant or an asshole unworthy of worship. Asking people who make ridiculous claims to prove those claims is proper. FMF has the name "pumpkin" for me all to himself. Atheism is simly a lack of belief in god, gods, godesses or the supernatural. There are both strong and weak versions of atheism.
Viviane
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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Viviane
Your attempt to use subtle misandry to minimize and belittle me was not unnoticed and frankly, is cheap and foolish...
Oh, ShortStuff, that wasn't subtle. Men that use misogyny in a jam ARE suffering from something, so it was neither cheap nor foolish. And if copying me is the best you've got, well, then it appears I'm spot on and firing on all cylinders.
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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Viviane
I've no wish to be your queen. It's a shame that "being consistent" and "knowing something" is pedantry and obfuscation to you. You've the potential to actually know things.
In any event, I hope you figure out what is causing your short man's disease and get over it.
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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Viviane
If authority is needed when asking people on an online forum to support their claims about reality, where exactly are you getting yours from, pumpkin?
Well, first, I'm not "pumpkin". Your attempt to use subtle misogyny to minimize and belittle me was not unnoticed and frankly, is cheap and foolish.
Secondly, your comment that I addresse was about requesting people to calm down their claims, not about whether or not it's proper to ask for support for a claim made. Those, you see, are different things.
BTW, it is entirely proper to ask someone to support their claims.
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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Viviane
All I kept popping up for was to ask some atheists to calm down their claims
Well, the problem is that you've neither the right nor authority to do that. Well, that and I don't want to.
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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Viviane
Might as well leave a rat turd for all the smarts you left. -
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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Viviane
it's boring repeating points that people quite intelligent enough to understand, are pretending have not been made. [Take vivs LOLtastic response above, a perfect example... "U r dum so i iz rite"]
Well, I see the circle jerk crew is out congratulating themselves on a successful circle jerk.
As I said, a shame but understandable. I know where you're coming from and admire such an approach.
Why would you admire an approach that is the least thoughtful? It seems like something an intelligent and thoughtful person would av... oh, wait. Got it.
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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Viviane
An excerpt from the link provided and worthy of consideration for the atheist position. Your input is not a waste of time, though I fear the emotion of posters with regard to honestly discussing the position will obscure any real discussion. A shame really.
I would be embarassed to make such juvenile arguments as Stuff and that article. The real shame is the lack of education they have but *thnk* they know what they are talking about.
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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Viviane
Are you missing the point on purpose?
Of course not. You just need to make point before I can miss it.
Once they have "done their best" and posited a silent or absent god, dismissal as "assholegod" or "pointlessgod", is no real response at all. Certainly no disproof.
Doesn't even seem to be trying all that hard to even look like a real reply...It's an apt description of their deity. If you don't like that, well, as I said, try making a point next time.Dismissing someone's god belief as "irrelevant", is no rebuttal. Argumentum ad lapidem.
Dismissing a god as an asshole is also no disproof. Sounds awkwardly like an appeal to emotion (It is after all the only reason offered - and if it is in fact the reason for dismissal - ISan appeal to emotion.).An appeal to emotion? Perhaps you should understand what "making a point" is before you go all in and try to make one. You certainly aren't capable of building a cogent argument if this is what you are going with. Making a point is, at this point, a long way off lofty goal for you.
But as I said, this could be avoided simply by providing a justification of your dismissal, it wouldn't even need to be a good one. After all - it is you asking people to define their god. It is just dishonest to then respond as you are doing.
Yeah, people that don't understand logic, critical thinking, evidence or reason keep asking for that no matter how much you keep getting it. What makes you think you're going to grasp anything the 100th time around?
No. Untrue. You over step yourself.
Like many fallen before you, you begin your battle with willful ignorance.
It has been shown that a god is not in any way necessary.
There is an extreme difference. (Unless you care to detail the "Proof" that some god didn'tguide things? Sounds impossible to me, I don't know why you'd claim to have done so.)Well, it's clear you've not bothered to learn any of the debate, so willful ignorance it is!
Anyway, I have a feeling I'm wasting my time.
Lack a belief... lol.Well, no. You've been exposed to quality higher thinking. You're only wasting your time if you choose to ignore it.
http://skepticexaminer.com/2015/02/why-the-lack-a-belief-response-is-problematic/
Worth a read, if you are a Lacktheist,.Why am I in no way surprised that you linked to an article that showed exactly the same poor quality of thinking you demonstrated?
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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?
by LaurenM indo any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
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Viviane
Viv - I've made several arguments, however you are the only person to not directly respond to any of my arguments.
Perhaps you have not been away from the Org too long?No, you've said a lot of meaningless drivel. You've definately not made an argument. As far as how long I've been away from the org, well, you've said a bunch of ignorant assumptions about everyone already, no reason why you shouldn't keep it up, eh?