Viviane

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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

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  Viviane

  So you've moved from defending them to promoting them.

  I ask again, what is your agenda?
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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

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  Viviane

  I'm not making a mountain out of a molehill, but the fact remains that, when presented with a fact that didn't fit your narrative, you went straight to making up something extra-biblical to justify it.
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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Richard, it's clear (assuming you aren't playing dumb) that you don't know much about the JWs. You've shown a willingness to make things up, to dismiss reality and either minimize or maximize things to suit your agenda.

  Having never been a JW and not knowing much about them, what is your agenda in defending them?
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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Richard, what is your agenda in defending the JWs?
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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  I am still wondering what Richard's agenda is for defending the WT, making things up and suggesting that the fishermen of antiquity were in a lucrative business (they weren't).

  What is your agenda for these underhanded methods?
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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  @viviane i supose this is just a platform for attack then not to be reasonable.

  What is your agenda that is served by victim blaming and making extra-biblical claims?
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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  @cofty you cant summarize the life of Jesus in 2 sentences. A bit harsh. Im sure when Jesus filled there nets with fish the families had enough money while they where away preaching

  
  Actually, Cofty did it in one sentence. Also, the bible never says that Jesus made sure they had enough money from fishing. It's become clear that you have an agenda to defend something or someone from being labelled a cult. What is that agenda?
  
  
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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  The point when applied to an organised religion is ppl misinterpret what they are taught and put themselves under inmence pressure which could lead one to become depressed etc. which I agree is dangerous. hence the misinterpretation of the religion upon leaving the religion the weight of oppression they have put on themslves is gradually removed and they become more balanced in there life on later reflection they then start to resent there time in the religion and believe they where mentally conditioned which caused them harm thus they believe it to be a cult.

  So your point is victim blaming? Yeah, go sell that crazy somewhere else.
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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  No one here could say jesus was a charismatic cult leader if they studied his life. That is the contradiction

  Uh, that's exactly what Jesus was.
  
  
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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  How is every religion not a cult given the many markers?

  cult

  kəlt/

  noun

  1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

     "the cult of St. Olaf"

     • a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.

       "a network of Satan-worshiping cults"

       synonyms:

       sect, denomination, group, movement, church, persuasion, body, faction "a religious cult"

  2. a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

     "a cult of personality surrounding the leaders"

     synonyms:

     obsession with, fixation on, mania for, passion for, idolization of, devotion to, worship of, veneration of "the cult of eternal youth in Hollywood"