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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

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  Viviane

  But for illustration this is why I say " the responsibility does not lie with the one making the claim"
  Now let's assume you just came from the election board. Viviane is now sitting on the bench and everything is absolutely legal. We have just discoverd that I voted more than once.Now this is wrong, but do my two votes count ? Unless you can disprove this matter I would suggest they do.

  I don't understand why that example makes sense in relation to the question of god's existence. You'll have to connect the dots.

  So can you prove God does not exist?

  Define god.
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Anyway in my definition Viviane " Onus Probandi" is a legal term shifting the burden of proof a person needs to proove their claim?

  What do you mean by "shifting". Why wouldn't the responsibility lie with the person making the claim?
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Am I therefore to assume you are saying the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim?

  I don't say it, but I recognize it to be correct in a legal and philosophic sense (onus probandi). Also, you can assume whatever you like, that's entirely up to you.

  If that is the case and you were to say "God does not exist" could you prove that?

  We're I to make that claim, then yes, it would be.
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Rebel, you asked how we could not prove the existence of god. No one has been able to prove it yet, so everyone has "not proved" it by default.
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  212

  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  So here is my challenge, how can we prove or not prove this existence of a being whose non existence is inconcivable?

  Everyone who's ever existed has not proved god's existence.

  Also, I can easily conceive of the non-existence of any god.
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  But the fact stands that both evolved or originated from dust.

  What, specifically originated from "dust"? What was this "dust" made of? Does it still exist? What's your evidence for this?
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Viviane you still haven't answered bohm's reply to your challenge to name an evolving computer program.

  Yes, I did. And it wasn't a challenge, it was a request for proof of EoMs claim (which bohm was also unable to answer).
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  ..evidently...the question is not to name a computer program that can evolve...evidently...

  Protip: Adding "evidently" to your own mistake doesn't make me look bad. You screwed up. It happens. You let your feelings for me get the best of you.
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Stuff - Do you have anything to add to the topic of this thread?

  I've asked that several times. Stuff won't even response. Apparently his devotion to epistimiology extends to and embraces "Run away! Run away!"
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  Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

  was it the wts and all its crap?

  was it something you read?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Stuff, what value are you adding? Also, not all facts are beliefs. Why, since you make such a fundamental error, should we think you know what you are talking about?