i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
At the very least I would say they are entitled to spread their belief so long they would allow the rest of us to discuss it openly without retaliation.
And yet you are complaining discussing religious beliefs opening and without fear of retaliation.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
That is off course, provided that their belief is not actually damaging you personally.
Yet you recently spoke on others behalf to tell them how to behave and that they were miserable.
What I am saying is that there needs to be respect for the belief of others.
Do you respect the beliefs of NAMBLA? Anti-vaxxers? Religious people who deny their children life saving medical care?
If you take it, and they demand your proof, then I believe you own it to your ideals to provide it.
Of course. Who has said otherwise?
I am not saying that is what you are doing cofty, but in such cases, the respectful thing to do is to drop your evidence and let others draw their conclusions.
Why is it respectful to deny evidence and reality?
That is exactly what I am talking about. Your standards needs to be everyone else's standards. Unless of course you need to bash someone. Then the standards are out the window.
Huh? I asked why I should expect others to require evidence but not need it myself. You're off in makes-no-sense land rambling.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
I am talking about personal belief.
Why would I personally have less standards than I expect others to have?
If you think a certain topic is stupid or has no evidence or foundation, simply stay out of it.
So, you tell us what to do and then....
Let the others continue with their lives.
Say to leave other people alone and let them do what they way. Why are you not consistent?
Insisting on the contrary only shows an outwardly expression of your misery.
So, after complaining about some people calling other people idiots, you decide to tell people they are miserable?
Seriously, you are doing everything you are complaining about. Did you not notice that?
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
You still haven't answered bohm.
Absolutely I did, with a rather long answer, in fact, explaining why I didn't change anything that EoM wrote and why I worded the question the way I did.
Continuing to deny that is simply dishonesty.
She ignores people who answer her with facts and plays debating tricks with words.
Nope, I answered bohm in great detail with very specific words to illustrate a point. That you don't like understand that is irrelevant to the fact.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
You should also note this thread is titled " Why do you no longer believe in God" so I assumed comments would offer evidence to that effect.
You're taking "why don't I believe in god" and trying to turn it into "I can prove god doesn't exist". Those aren't the same things.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
If you could give me a straight answer as why you say God does not exist I would appreciate it
I didn't say God does not exist.
Viviane I am an athiest, but you are the respected celebrated lawyer and expert on this board, alwaysgiving giving a funeral to those that believe in God
Your snark is noted and dismissed.
Personally I have no problem with that, if you could prove God does not exist. But you can't.
Define "god".
My conclusion is even Athiests like Viviane and the Rebel without being able to offer conclusive evidence God does not exist can be wrong.
Everyone is wrong about something sometimes. That has nothing to do with this.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Viviane let me introduce myself, I am God and I am sure you have been hearing of my charity work? and my fight against injustice and poverty? Well I happened to be in court today when your thrilling address to the jury proved this was all bullshit. But that does not prove my non existence.
Define god, calling yourself that is in no way a definition, no more than sticking feathers up your butt makes you a chicken.
Viviane can you prove My non-existence?
whose? You've given me one's existence to prove or disprove.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
But for illustration this is why I say " the responsibility does not lie with the one making the claim"
Now let's assume you just came from the election board. Viviane is now sitting on the bench and everything is absolutely legal. We have just discoverd that I voted more than once.Now this is wrong, but do my two votes count ? Unless you can disprove this matter I would suggest they do.
I don't understand why that example makes sense in relation to the question of god's existence. You'll have to connect the dots.
So can you prove God does not exist?
Define god.
i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?
was it the wts and all its crap?
was it something you read?
Anyway in my definition Viviane " Onus Probandi" is a legal term shifting the burden of proof a person needs to proove their claim?
What do you mean by "shifting". Why wouldn't the responsibility lie with the person making the claim?
