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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Viviane

  But I'd think you can share ideas without the need to be sparkling in it either.

  So your complaint is that the free gift of learning offered you didn't come in a pretty enough package?

  Boo. F-ing. Hoo.
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
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  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Animals can indeed be shrewd but that's why the word special was used. We have a superior nature to that than of animals

  So now it's "superior nature"? Again, in what sense? You keep replacing one thing you can't explain with another. You've said nothing again. What is a "superior nature"?
  

  Thanks for the advice but this whole thing is a learning process to me.

  Then learn. The idea of learning is anathema to your statement of ...

  We disagree here. Fine, end of story.

  You've literally said dozens of factually incorrect things. Rather than learning, you choose to walk way. How is that in keeping with your claims of wanting to learn?
  

  Whether or not I would have said that or not, I strongly believe you would have said the exact same thing. But that's just my opinion.

  There literally would have been no reason for me to refute your claim had you not made it. You're being nonsensical to claim otherwise.
  
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Viviane

  Look I apologize for that as that was uncalled for but I'd like to think I'm intelligent.

  You may well be, but "intelligent" and "educated" are two different things. Life experience is another matter altogether. You can choose to get in a huff or choose to better yourself with education and experience. How you handle those things will largely determine the outcome of your life.

  
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Look, Viviane, you are coming pretty strongly towards me and it's unnecessary as we generally just disagree with each other. And It's coming to a point where it's not discussable anymore but rather just a bunch of short assertions which are not my cup of tee.

  I'm being rather gentle towards you. Perhaps due to your admitted youth and inexperience you aren't used to the frankness with which adult conversations take place.

  If you can't use words properly, form an argument or stay on topic, perhaps discussion of a rational nature isn't your cup of tea.
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Viviane, it's a matter of speciality among humans

  Animals also use tools and have rituals. Your suggested it was how much that mattered, not whether or not something was special. Which is it? Is is the activity that is special or the degree to which it is done?
  

  Animals can be sensible but humans have a special type of shrewdness.

  Animals can be shrewd as well. What is special about being shrewd? I ask because your other arguments have fallen flat and proven to be non-starters when investigated and now you are trying to claim your original points while changing your underlying arguments. I'm afraid that won't do. Please explain how "shrewd" is somehow the essence of humans. Please bear in mind you've yet to explain what the "essence" is.
  

  I do understand words but I'm not the best at wording them and I hope you respect that. I'm only 18 after all and not as experienced as you all are at doing using words.

  Clearly you do not understand the words since you consistently misuse them. Since you realize your lack of education and experience, attempt to learn from others rather than beg for mercy when you make bad arguments.
  

  
  Never said you did. I said it seemed that way based on what you told me. That's why the word act was used.

  You said I was acting a certain way. I was not, so your claim was false. I realize due to your admitted lack of experience and education you probably meant something else, so here is a tip. You should have said you felt I was acting a certain way or perceived that and then asked if it was so rather than make the claim. As it stands, you said something false that you now have to walk back when you simply could have asked for clarification.
  

  I understand it but indicated that it was natural for some of us to be this way.

  That still doesn't mean in any way that how you used the word was in any way correct. It was not. Rather than pretend that being wrong twice somehow makes you right, just admit your error, learn something and move on.
  
  
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Viviane

  Someone who has pride and commitment to scientific faith

  That shows you have no idea how science works.
  

  The underlying thought here is that people can see evidence differently from the next person because of their unique mind. Regardless of whether it is right or wrong is subjective because it's clear that people do in fact have a distinct outlook on things no matter what they are.

  You've no idea how an objective reality works.
  
  

  The thing is that a Christian's use of creation as proof can still be proof even though it's not consolable using the scientific method as it's created by man.

  You've no idea what proof is.
  

  What I said about "the true essence of who we are as human beings" is just my opinion and you don't have to agree obviously.

  You've not actually said anything. You've written a lot of words, but said actually nothing.
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Viviane

  In that way they are similar because they can lead humans to their path whether right or wrong. Here's why they are just as similar. Someone who believes in God and feels that there is evidence in creation believes that it is "evidence" based on how they see it.

  All you've told us is that, much like the person that says the Bible is evidence for god, you have absolutely no idea what "evidence" means and you have no business being taken seriously.

  See this thread, it will do you a world of good. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/420420001/quality-thinking-warning-long-post-ahead
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Viviane

  But who is usually more sensible and more capable of being sensible?A human beings main advantage over an animal is their intellectual capacity. That's exactly why I used the word unique.

  Define "sensible". Also, are you now just saying it's not a matter of a special thing but rather a matter of degree? That's not what unique means. It's literally the opposite of what "unique" means. You could not be more wrong if you tried.

  No wonder you can't communicate your ideas. You actually have no idea what the words you are using mean.

  I already did that in my original post.

  In fact, you claimed you could not do that. You literally claimed you could not possibly do what you are now claiming to have done. Which is it? No wonder you are so misunderstood, you don't even understand your own words.
  

  I'm grateful of that process as everyone should but you act like the scientific method is infallible.

  I never made that claim. Please stop making false claims.

  The fact that it was developed over several hundred years tells of how much it has changed from the first incarnation. And it will do nothing but continue to change as humans get wiser and wiser. This seems to be the case with replicability of a scarce amount of confirmed science.

  So you admit all of your claims about the scientific method were incorrect. Excellent. Now, before you proceed, please re-frame your argument using all the correct information that you now have. I ask for this so you don't pretend that having been wrong on all of your major points and arguments somehow makes those prior incorrect statements correct.

  Why? Irrationality really is another manner in which we are able to survive and deal with the world.

  You clearly have no idea what "irrational" means. Sadly, it seems your level of thought has stopped at https://www.reddit.com/r/im14andthisisdeep/

  For you to say I'm alive because of the scientific method shows that you view it in the same light as a believer does to God

  All it does is show how little you know of science, god, faith or me. You're not 14 and this isn't deep. Develop your argument and be open to the idea of being wrong. You certainly are, but you don't have the intelligence, learning or quality thinking yet to know that.

  
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Viviane

  OrphanCrow, the scientific method's process was created by someone's unique technique which was based on him and the way he saw things. That way works for most people but not for everyone.

  The scientific method was developed of thousands of years across many cultures as a way to investigate reality without allowing human bias to influence the investigations. The very fact that you are alive and using a computer to post your comments instead of using spirit to do so is proof of that.
  
  
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  God is Real in Principle

  by looter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.

  now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.

  our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.

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  Viviane

  That what you call "irrationality" is just another way individuals are able to be practical and problem solvers.

  You literally could not be more wrong if you tried. There is no level of wrongness more than what you achieved with that sentence. It's approach the level of "not even wrong".