For the record I've worked on in whole or part on apps you literally use on your phone/computer. Rather than insult me perhaps you can just say thanks sheesh. Enough with the barbs.
Are you like 5 years old or something?
Viviane
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Viviane
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Viviane
Let's not put words in my mouth nor act as though I'm uninformed I've pretty much had it with that noise, I'll simply ignore you.
Let's not. You put the uninformed words in your mouth. No need to get snippy with others because it became plainly obvious to all.
So I categorically disagree with your statement. regarding LUCA.
Case in point. Viv's Law strikes again.
Now explain to me the charge what caused the event. Happenstance, God, a Leprechaun, a Martian how'd it happen?
Viv's Law strikes again. You confusing evolution with abiogensis.
If you can't explain that process you cannot say with anything definitive as to that early bacteria like RNA started chaining and ultimate became DNA.If the "origin" were not important why the hell is everyone trying to solve it???
No one said it wasn't. For someone who complains about being misunderstood, you have repeatedly attempted to make false claims about others.
The only question is ... why?
doesn't matter my point is if you can't define that origin you cannot form a concrete opinion, an opinion based on what you know sure, but not an absolute one no one can.
Huh? You're logic breaks down to "if you don't know something, you can't form an opinion on it". Well.... duh?
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Viviane
1. Show me where I said "a theory" is a guess. In fact I said the opposite several posts back.
You consistently use theory in the wrong sense and say wrong things about it, whether or not you said it was a guess in those exact words. Here are a few examples of your wrongness.
Ruling things out as you build your theory comprised of other facts is absolutely part of the scientific process of defining a theory
many theories just like this one are ultimately proven wrong
I get it you don't want to address this very key issue because there's no answer hence it frustrates you and your firm belief of Evolution, probably because you don't like hearing that it is only a theory.
Literally every one of those statements is wrong. Once again, a theory is not a hypothesis. A theory is a well substantiation explanation for events supported by multiple lines of evidence, observation and experimentation. It is subject to change as new information becomes available, of course, but when you say things like what you said above, it shows you've no real idea what you are talking about.
Not one person here has had a single prolific thing to say about this problem.
Cofty has answered you several times.
No matter how many times I say it I see the same post over and over.
Well, you keep saying wrong things. C'est la vie.
I get it you want me to accept well it just happened somehow but don't worry about that. No thanks!
Ah, I see the problem. No, no one particularly cares if you accept it (and no one is asking you to just accept it, there are reams of evidence for you to review if you choose to do so), you are merely being corrected on the wrong things you write in a public comment and discussion forum.
I get that it angers you because you can't explain this process any more than anyone else. It is what it is. Maybe someone day we'll know until then I personally can't accept any final resolution.
Please remain honest. No one is angry at you. Pity would probably be a more apt, description. Perhaps amused as well.
Viv, I'm confusing nothing. You are NOT the authority on the matter although you clearly believe you are. What's your degree in?
I agree, I am not an authority. However, UC Berkeley IS, which is why I quoted them back to you. Also check out these:
http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/intro_01
http://www.livescience.com/20896-science-scientific-method.html
If the Origin of Life is not important why did Darwin spend so much time on it? Why did he write to is colleges about it in various letters.
Who ever said it wasn't important? Please stop making things up just because you confused abiogenesis with evolution.
I know you don't want it to matter because it is a problem for the Evolutionary theory but it absolutely matters.
Huh? Are you pretending to know things you can't possibly know again?
Many here (myself, Cofty and Snare, to name a few) think it's an incredibly important and fascinating field of study.
Oh, and just so you can know what "theory" means....
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/just-a-theory-7-misused-science-words/
" A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. But to the average Jane or Joe, a theory is just an idea that lives in someone's head, rather than an explanation rooted in experiment and testing."
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Viviane
If you want to ignore the issue of RNA to DNA then you simply don't want to accept the fact that Evolution like Creation cannot be proven.
I get it you don't want to address this very key issue because there's no answer hence it frustrates you and your firm belief of Evolution, probably because you don't like hearing that it is only a theory.Viv's Law in action. You confuse evolution with the origin of life, misuse theory again, say you have no position and then clearly lay one out and create your very own strawman (twice) to argue against.
Evolution is both a fact and a theory. In science, a theory is the best current explanation of something supported by multiple lines of evidence, experiment and observation. You are using that word in the sense of "hypothesis" which it surely isn't.
You're showing you're completely unequipped to have any sort of meaningful discussion on the topic.
Cofty offered to discuss RNA and DNA with you, yet you pretend no one would. Why?
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Viviane
God is real and I will tell you how one can know this. The main attribute of God is that he brought life to the Earth, sure there are others but this is the main thing. The human race is about to take life to another planet, Mars. On the day that an astronaut first steps on the Mars soil, God is proven as another lifeless planet is about to be colonized and habituated. So God is Knowledge, that can take you anywhere you choose to go.
None of what you said has anything to do with God, unless you worship man and science as your God.
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Viviane
You categorically cannot prove/disprove Evolution/Creation until you can define how RNA became DNA. How those amino acids became charge which began the proto-chaining of life.
Viv's Law strikes again. You show over and over you don't understand at all how science works.
Also, proofs only exist in math. You're thinking of evidence.
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Viviane
Uhhh evolution is a theory my dear. NOT a hypothesis but nice effort.
I wasn't talking about evolution. Try to keep up.
...and for the record closed minded people are not good scientists.
Nor are people who insist on staying wrong. Nor are people who don't keep up. Nor are people who bring religion into the lab.
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Paranormal Warning
by Cold Steel ini've heard some weird stories coming from jws about the paranormal.
i know about the warnings about items that come from unbelievers -- those don't interest me as much.
what i am interested in are actual experiences in stories of the paranormal you've heard or experienced yourself.
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Viviane
Holy hell! It worked! Gonna donate now!!
I actually just bought a combo washer/dryer so they didn't get lost in the transition from the washer to the dryer.
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Viviane
well I know what my professor preached.
What does that have to do with you being wrong?
Ruling things out as you build your theory comprised of other facts is absolutely part of the scientific process of defining a theory. I don't know where you studied but...
You mean hypothesis. A hypothesis doesn't have to contain any facts, that's why it's a hypothesis. You're a classic example of Viv's Law. And still wrong about science.
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Viviane
LOL @Viviane I'll take that as you have nothing better to say...and you're saying UC Berkley is wrong by the way....buy hey thx for playin'
Please remain honest. I made no comment on your post from UC Berkeley. I am simply pointing out that your comments, specifically "A good scientist will consider all possibilities not just the ones convenient for him" and "it's all about eliminating the possibilities" are incorrect. That has absolutely nothing to do with the UC Berkeley quote.
From the site you linked to:
- Science is both a body of knowledge and a process. In school, science may sometimes seem like a collection of isolated and staticfacts listed in a textbook, but that's only a small part of the story. Just as importantly, science is also a process of discovery that allows us to link isolated facts into coherent and comprehensive understandings of the natural world.
- Science is exciting. Science is a way of discovering what's in the universe and how those things work today, how they worked in the past, and how they are likely to work in the future. Scientists are motivated by the thrill of seeing or figuring out something that no one has before.
- Science is useful. The knowledge generated by science is powerful and reliable. It can be used to develop new technologies, treat diseases, and deal with many other sorts of problems.
- Science is ongoing. Science is continually refining and expanding our knowledge of the universe, and as it does, it leads to new questions for future investigation. Science will never be "finished."
- Science is a global human endeavor. People all over the world participate in the process of science. And you can too!
Notice there is nothing about eliminating possibilities. If eliminating possibilities were the goal of science, we would be investigating whether or not the Sun were made up of fireflies made up of miniature Shetland ponies made up of teacups. After all, that's a possibility because we may just not have the means to detect it yet.