Posts by Viviane

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I believe in Evolution and that God created life

by Crabby in

anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

Viviane

I know that JW's do not study any sort of science, thus they have no rights to comment on such topics. Thus the JW World View is one of purposeful ignorance, but since ignorance is bliss you are quite happy.

I'm not a JW, ShortRound.

So, now that Viv's Law is proven correct again, here's what I predict. After repeated attempts to weasel out of showing how his statement is scientific, short stuff over there will call more names, get angry, amp up the personal attacks and declare it stupid and call names and say we wouldn't get it even if he did. Basically, he's going to go Full Trumptard.

you heard it here first.

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

Viviane

Viviane what made the gravity and light? The only logical answer is God.

Explain the logic, please. Draw the connections between "you don't know" and arrive at God. Your argument must be airtight with no other options.

For instance, why wasn't it two gods? Or three? Or a unicorn farting?Your argument of "the only logical answer" must preclude any of those, otherwise it isn't "the only logical answer".

BTW, here you go... http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/101-the-universe/cosmology-and-the-big-bang/general-questions/570-where-did-the-matter-in-the-universe-come-from-intermediate

It appears that the answer of "where did it come from" is actually answered by "it's probably impossible for nothing to exist" and, if you reject that, be aware that the same reason you question a non-supernatural universe also applies to your god, as in, "OK, it was God, now where did God come from. Something like that must have had a creator".

Logically, once you posit that something can exist without a First Cause or creator, you've opened the door to not needing the creator or First Cause. If you insist that in order for something instead of nothing to exist, then your First Cause or creator, God, by logical necessity must have had a creator or First cause as well, so on and so forth to infinite regression.

But, go ahead, explain away why "God is the only logical explanation" to us. Remember, airtight, can't be applied to magical, undetectable unicorn farts.

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

Viviane

Viviane you still don't know what caused these planets to come to be formed. There's your evidence.

Gravity and light elements are what caused it. But, even if we didn't know, "God" isn't the answer to I don't know.

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

Viviane

Well we COULD be a little less harsh on Hope here.

So.... Asking for proof and saying we disagree with someone telling us we're all wrong and all evidence is wrong is harsh?

Points of scientific method aside, the real question asked is, if everything came from nothing, then what created the nothing? It's as old a question as the chicken and the egg.

What do you mean by "nothing"? There is literally not example of "nothing" in the universe.

Many physicists are talking now about the 'God particle,' subatomic anomalies that cannot be explained with current scientific models. They operate outside the known laws of physics and perhaps are doorways to other dimensions.

That is not at all what the God particle its. It's the Higgs boson, a particle that creates a field that gives other particles mass. It was predicted BY the known laws of physics.

Also, based on observations, the laws we know about and using mathematical particles, we KNOW there are more particles out there.

They simply can't express that view publicly, as it would cause them to lose credibility in the scientific community.

Wrong again. What they lose credibility for is bringing their religious beliefs into the lab.

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

Viviane

Let's be clear if the earth was created by no one then you are certain that God didn't create the other planets in which there is no proof for that.

Every bit of available evidence indicates nothing supernatural was involved in planetary formation. If you've evidence to the contrary, please present it.

If I say it proves God exists then it does.

You're just proving Jeff's point. You saying something doesn't make it true. If you've evidence to the contrary, please present it.

Or that they were evolution themselves? Let's not act like they are totally different.

Planetary formation and evolution are very different. If you've evidence to the contrary, please present it.

Whose to say those planets weren't formed by God.

Every single bit of available evidence shows otherwise. If you've evidence to the contrary, please present it.

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There is science that prove God exists

by HopeEverLasting in

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jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

there is another mode for how he exists.

now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

Viviane

I do mean we could say science proves God exists because some of the best scientists have saw fit for themselves through a lot of research that God exists

More than do believe don't. What's your point.

And that everything came from nothing.

What do you mean by "nothing"?

All atheistic evolutionists cannot seem to explain how other planets were formed.

Evolution has nothing to do with planetary formation. Regardless...http://hubblesite.org/hubble_discoveries/discovering_planets_beyond/how-do-planets-form

At least the creationist scientist were able to research and see for themselves what made sense instead of baseless assumptions.

Please show us this research that has more supporting evidence than traditional science.

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I believe in Evolution and that God created life

by Crabby in

anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

Viviane

"Your comments are unfounded, baseless and unscientific"
rinse repeat.
Anyone of you care to share your SAT score, IQ, Portfolio. I bet a lot of the ppl you call stupid are probably not so stupid.

Why are you comparing facts about your posts to how mean you just were to crabby, and, strangely mixing in comments how to properly shampoo one's hair?

You're the only person who's called anyone stupid, so it seems like you're basically saying the people you called stupid aren't as dumb as you think they are.

Anyway, this thread has devolved into two guys trying to show how tough they are in their own mind. I've better things to do that watch people act like 13 year old boys in the locker room for the first time.

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Looking for evolutionary info on how smells can be carried on DNA

by Crabby in

as i said last night the smell of pus from an infection is recognized by all puppies without their being exposed to the smell previously, this is shown because all puppies react the same way to this smell, which is to lick the infected pus laden wound.. this demonstrates that smells are carried on dna in some way.

any thoughts on how?.

Viviane

There is clear evidence that the smell of pus and flowers can be passed down as a memory to the offspring.

It's clear that you don't know what "evidence" and "memories" are.

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I believe in Evolution and that God created life

by Crabby in

anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

Viviane

Viv, DNA is an information system of some kind, or at least it is the hardware to carry the information. Seriously VIV as a JW you are not even allowed to read science books not approved by the WT, you are also not allowed to pursue a higher education, which is why you are so foolishly ignorant. In fact if your elders knew of your postings here you would likely be disfellowshipped as you are wasting your time on not WT sponsored activities. I do not agree with this, but it is true.

Back up, ShortRound, you still owe us information on how your ideas are scientific, a specific component being falsifiability. Before you move on to saying more wrong things and making unfounded claims, let's settle what you previously claimed.

Also, I'm not a JW. You're being goofy.

@crabby you disagree therefore you are stupid.

Wow. That's mean. It also applied to you, so quite self deprecating as well.

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I believe in Evolution and that God created life

by Crabby in

anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.

Viviane

So let me get this straight. DNA/RNA is not an information system and DNA doesn't qualify as code.

Right.

It developed spontaneously, by itself, from basic elements in solid and liquid form

Wrong.

It created a system so intricate and complicated, we are still trying to figure out how it works.

What is "it"?

One-celled organisms transformed into multi-celled organisms. From multi-celled organisms these would magically turn into complicated life forms and divide into male and female sexes.

No, magic is not involved. "Magic" is actually your position.

Yes, I know a period of 450 million years is a long time and lots of things can happen during that time. That's why evolutionism qualifies as a religion. One must have a lot of faith to believe in all of that.

Wrong. Faith and magic are your positions. evidence, rooms, building and thousands of volumes of it, is how we know this. No faith or magic involved.

Well, I will also make a prediction. They will not find life on Mars or anywhere else in the solar system (except earth) because life, in any form, cannot be kick started by itself, not in a million years.

That's actually an unprovable assertion. It is not fasifiable. It's like saying "no human can live forever". You know, science and stuff. And logic.

"It's all just electrons doing their thing." Intelligent electrons! I have never heard of such codswallop in my whole life.

Neither has anyone else. Where did you get that idea from? Atoms and particles behave according to physics. Where are you getting "intelligence" from? That's from your side, "intelligent design", and it's all faith and magic.

Anyway, DNA qualifies as an information system, whether you like it or not. The sender of this information system is God, and the recipients are all the life forms on earth, and I am grateful for his magnanimous generosity.

You just argued against magic and faith, now you claim it. Which is it you want? If you want it, then your entire previous post goes in the waste bin. If you don't want it, your last comment invalidates your entire post.