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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

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  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  Viviane

  Yes I agree. But I was not talking about logic in that sense.
  I was talking about logical consistency inside philosophical systems about soul.

  Internal logical consistency exists whether we are talking about the soul, Harry Potter or math. You've demonstrated none.

  Well that's not what I meant. I accept the Thomistic theory of soul.

  Well, no you don't. This is where knowing what you are talking about comes in handy. No such thing actually exists. At best, you have the Aristotlean view of a natural body with the capacity to act because of a soul. You've already declared that humanoids can act without souls, so you shot your own argument in the foot. That's where knowing critical thinking and logic come in handy. It helps you to stop from arguing against yourself.

  In short it says that there's 3 kinds of soul.

  Yeah, that's totally 100% bullshit lies from you, no need to address anything lies you say.
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  Viviane

  I used the generic term because there's a branch that only accepts or includes the acceptance of logic (philosophy). That's called Logical Positivism.

  True enough, but you didn't discuss that narrow branch. By any measure, what you claimed posovitism is, isn't it.

  So, show how your definition is the same as what you claim it is, specifically, what nicolau posted. We're waiting.
  
  

  There's a new term being used interchangeable to classical (from Comte) Positivism: Scientism.

  Scientism isn't a new term and it's not interchangeable.
  

  I don't think Cofty and Viviane are logical positivists because the philosophy of soul is presented with logical consistency and both deny the logical conclusion of the soul.

  So far, you've demonstrated quite capably that you've no idea what posovitism is, so no idea why you think you have a valid opinion on it.

  Either way, you've also presented no logic that leads to the conclusion of "souls exist". You've simply said your god gave some animals souls and then forced them into bestiality and incest. Hardly logic.

  They even can't admit the soul it's not a subject for the scientific method.

  First, there's nothing to admit. Second, you used science in your attempt to prove a soul. Why should I "admit" something shouldn't be done when you tried to do it?

  They clearly advocates the universal use of scientific method and don't recognise any other form of knowledge as valid.

  That is such lying bullshit. You keep saying it because it's all you've got. You're a typical theist, no idea WTF you are talking about and running around lying about other people at the drop of a hat. Sadly, it's exactly what to expect from people like you.
  
  
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  Viviane

  Eliminative Materialism says the human consciousness does not exist because it cannot be scientifically verified.

  That's not what eliminative materialism says at all. You either are completely uneducated about what you are talking about, trolling or lying.

  So anyway, please show us how your definition of posotivism is the same as the one nicolau posted and, once that is done, how I said it was wrong. You've all your work ahead of you.
  
  
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  Viviane

  Viv you can add anything to any imaginary list you like as far as I am concerned. You never back up anything you say. If you ever make an actual argument in favour of any of the claims you make, there will be something to discuss

  Awww.... the "but you do it toooo!" argument. It's wrong, of course. For example, when you made a wrong claim recently about what WT publications said and the source material showed you wrong and then you whined about....something or other about me because you didn't get to make claims and tell lies about people unfettered. Honestly, all whining sounds the same to me, like a three year old pitching a fit because of bedtime.
  

  So, anyway, enough with the lies. Anytime I make a claim about science or what something says or someone said, I back it up when necessary. That's been shown over and over and over. Whining doesn't change that.
  
  
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  Viviane

  John Mann there was nothing wrong with your definition. Don't let Viv give you the run around.

  And we can add "posovitism" to the list of philosophies that SBF thinks he knows about but doesn't. It also seems like a bit of a white knighting scenario, jumping in to bail John out from having to answer tough questions about his own comments. Questions like "does what you say match what you claim it matches?" I mean, how in the world can an adult be expected to stand up to such ruthless bullying?

  I couldn't imagine living in yours or John's head, knowing so little about so much when it's so so very easy to learn with mountains of knowledge at your fingertips.

  Sad, really.
  
  
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  Viviane

  Personal purpose in life can be scientifically verified as valid?
  Really?

  Absolutely. Anyway, moving on to your task...

  So, please show us how your definition of posotivism is the same as the one nicolau posted and, once that is done, how I said it was wrong. You've all your work ahead of you.
  
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  Viviane

  Sorry but personal purpose in life can't be scientifically verified as valid.

  OK, so we just learned you don't know what "scientifically valid" means. Of course if can be.

  If you really knows what scientific verification is you must know that.
  Like what?

  Like, that you don't know what scientific verification is, for one.
  
  So, please show us how your definition of posotivism is the same as the one nicolau posted. You've all your work ahead of you.
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  Viviane

  There's a pleonasm in this definition. You can say just "scientifically verified" (like I said) without the "OR" part.

  Logical proof is not the same as scientifically verified. No pleonasm exists.

  You've not shown is how your definition is the same as what nicolau posted. You've all your work ahead of you.
  

  Meaning or purpose of human life beyond biological goals is nonsense to positivists because cannot be scientifically verified.

  The purpose and goals of my life can be verified. Not sure what you mean by "biological goals". Reproduction? My goals beyond that can definitely be scientifically verified.
  
  You've all your work ahead of you.
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  583

  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  Viviane

  Viviane says this definition is wrong. I want to know her definition.

  You are incorrect. I did't say that definition was wrong, in fact, I made no comment on it at all. I said YOUR claim was incorrect.

  And it is.
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  Viviane

  Why not?
  And most important: what is the correct definition of positivism?

  Sorry, I have a strict personal policy of "not doing doing your work for you".