Posts by Viviane

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Should I chuckle, Viviane?

I certainly hope not. Systemic dishonesty is no laughing matter.

Did you really just say to have respectable beliefs in order to be respected?

No, I didn't. Try reading it again.

That just proves I wasn't dishonest in how you as so adiment that faith is wrong you don't have the ability to respect others faith even though it isn't wrong and isn't hurting you or anyone.

Well, first, you are wrong about what I said. Second, even if you weren't wrong, that's still not "proof". You made untrue claims, even after knowing they were wrong. That's what makes you and your claims dishonest. It's a systemic problem with self-righteous theists.

I specifically said my comment was NOT about faith. Seriously, try reading.

You think it's wrong based on your own beliefs which is fine but when you treat others like myself like we are below you because we still believe in the bible, it just shows the type of person you are. You love to trample others on things you think are incorrect about them.

Again, I SPECIFICALLY said it was NOT about faith. Stop pretending that what this is about. It's dishonest in the extreme.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

What is the logical basis for ruling out the possibility that there may be a solution to the problem of evil that humans either don't or are not able to understand?

Let's unpack this post and answer it for you.

Of course there is that possibility. In Cofty's thread, which you should read, it's explicitly called that that this is a possibility, but that makes god a moral monster, an asshole.

There are various aspects of reality that the human mind is not able to grasp. We are not equipped to conceptualise more than three dimensions for example, although we theorise that many more exist.

Speak for yourself, first of all. Secondly, you are pretending that "grasp", conceptialize and theorize are the same things. We can grasp four dimentions, theorize it AND conceptualize.

So why should the inability of the human mind to conceive a solution to the problem of evil be proof that no solution exists?

Non sequitur. The solutions are "god is an asshole", "god is indifferent", "god is not omni" or "there is no god".

I am interested to know what an atheist response to this is, beyond mere sneering.

The response is "think about it using logic, reason, critical thinking, philosophy and reality instead of being a lazy twit and pretending that those things are 'sneering'".

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

But you know is very easy to predict a tsunami and that region is very familiar with this natural problem.
Why there was no warning about that tsunami?

If only there were some tool that would help find answers to questions...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/WAD501A.html

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Beautiful, the positivist tells me I'm dishonest again when she evidently thinks nothing of God and because of that feels in the right to call others crazy.

Well, if you don't want to be told you're being dishonest, don't be dishonest. It's really not that hard.

Viviane you are definitely a positivist because you clearly don't have the ability to think without that preconceived science philosophy.

If you don't want to be called nutters, don't say nutter things like this. Oh, and also, see the note on "dishonest". It also applies here.

That makes sense because despite disagreeing with those who believe in the Lord such as myself, you can't even respect our beliefs even though you think it's wrong.

If you want your beliefs respected, have respectable beliefs. I'm not talking about believing in god.

What's worse is that other users promote that contempt along with you. That is what's truly "nutters". But this is the internet afterall, full of rudeness, so what should I expect? May God be with us all.

Contempt? Rude? You missplelt "Thank you, Viv, for pointing out where I was being dishonest and kind of crazy. I shall fix my errors and move on,"

You're welcome.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Behaviorism.

All your work is ahead of you, as usual. Using words you don't understand doesn't constitute an argument.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

So tell what non human animal can conceive infinity.
Maybe a snake?

Maybe. I dunno. Show me evidence that no other animal besides humans can't and I'll grant your premise.

Difficulty: Must include pre-souled homonids.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

C1/Premise A: No other animal specie can conceive infinity.
Better?

Not in the least. You're still making claims and conflating two conclusions without any reason to believe several of the claims are true.

Also, it's really, really bad logic.

So, no, it's NOT better.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Yes, faith is more than reason alone. But faith seeks reason. But some articles of faith cannot be reasoned. For example, I have faith my soul will be saved in my particular Judgement.

OK, so you don't know what faith is. Got it.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

To believe universe itself can be understood with human reason requires faith too.

That's not how science works.

To believe universe itself can be understood with human reason requires faith too.

Speak for yourself, I don't believe that.

There's no warranty or proof of ANY kind I will be alive tomorrow but my plans and my thoughts are made upon faith that I'll be alive in next years.

That's irrelevant to the topic.

The premise of faith is that our rational minds can't be traceable to any animal and our minds can bear the concept of infinity. It's logical to conclude our rational minds came from something higher.

That's nutter vutter. That's not at all what faith is. It's certainly not logic of any kind.

Do you know what logic is?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

Viviane

Viviane so anyone who disagrees with you is a nutterball? You and others love to call people crazy just because they have faith and you don't. That's a form of discrimination.

Awww.... look, a religious person being completely dishonest about what I said. Thinking you're nutters because you think people will fall for that nuttery isn't discrimination. It's just good sense.

Our rational soul...we could cure any disease and prevent any accident.

Puuuure Nuuuutttterrryyyy!

Science is a method not books. A book about optics is not about the scientific method.

Look who just revealed pure ignorance of what the book contains!