Posts by Viviane

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

Viviane

Viv ; those things are the consequences of the efficacy of the air we breath on our bodies you are confusing metaphor with causal effect.

They are consequences of a great many things, all of which would be a metaphor for what you are talking about.

Yes there are many things we need for us to exist,but stick to the contextwhat's the first thing a human requires at birth? Exactly or no existence.

Atoms. BOOM! Atoms must be the spirit! Well, no, wait. Atoms need electrons and protons and neutrons and the the strong nuclear force. Wait, quarks and bosons are involved in mass and atom formation also....

Your choice is 100% arbitrary. Oxygen is by no means the first thing required for a human to exist, it's one of many components.

That first breath and the force on the lungs is the spirit bywhich we all exist. It's as fundamental as that.

The lungs couldn't draw breath without electrical energy transfer, so really, you could say it's electrons. Your answer is arbitrary and gets us no closer to an answer.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

Viviane

i created " future existence"

Huh? It existed the moment you created it, not in in the future. You still aren't telling me what future existence mean. You are simply taking one undefined term and substituting it for another. We are still no closer.

And its as real as the word " spirit"

When did the word SPIRIT come in to existence?

Utterly irrelevant (and untrue). We are still no closer to an answer.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

Viviane

It is not STUFF,

it is the non-material information that is used by Life, even VERY ancient life to do work.

OK, so what is that comprised of? You've not answered the question, you've simply replaced one undefine term with another.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

Viviane

Viv i will look up,what the word " metaphor" is if you will look up what the word " SYRITHEROUSE" is.

I encorage you to do so.

Why would I look up fake words? Your word isn't real (unless you misspelled it, in which case feel free to try again), metaphor is a word students learn about in middle or primary school.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

Viviane

The part you highlighted was sandwiched in between, which was showing the effects of the spirit or air we breathe which gives rise to what many would call 'our spirit' which can also be known as 'our way' ,our personality, our demeanour, our attitude as in he's got a good spirit. Spirit in those senses being used as descriptive In the context of the context of the conversation

OK. That's just a common metaphor. It moves us no closer to understanding what angels and demons are comprised of.

your point about force; there is no correlation between the force of a bullet or any other missiles impact and the force of the air we breathe.

You were talking about oxygen as a force and I was making the point that you were attempting to draw a straight line between the metaphysical and the actual physical and how quickly that doesn't work when exposed to a critical analysis or boundary testing.

Your point about the source of the oxygen ? Why would that have any relevance to the fact that we breathe it ?

Your point about gravity? Humans do not breathe gravity , I would not make any argument that gravity was spirit.....would you?...would anyone?

My point was that you picked one thing at random, out of the millions of thing required for humans to survive, and decided to arbitrarily call that one thing spirit. Your argument could apply equally as well to any of those things. There is no compelling reason to pick one over the other. Spirit, in the context you are using it, could be summed up as "the thing you decided to pick at random".

So far we are no closer. I'll update the list soon.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

Viviane

I be honest with you, i dont know what a " metaphor" is. I mean the word is new to me. I could look it up in the dictionary, but its just a word.

You could look it up. I encourage you to do so.

And how can people die, if death is non existence?

Are you suggesting that people don't die?

well i cant answer that because i have only known future existence.

What does that mean? How is "future existence" different from the passage of time that we all, rocks, people dogs, electrons, experience? What, specifically, is future existence? Without understanding specifcally what that means you still aren't telling me anything, you're merely swapping one un-defined term for another. You clearly don't have a time machine and experience the passage of space time the same as me, so I can't figure out what you mean.

But i am alive and well all the same. To me thats " spirit". Future existence.

OK, so spirit = being alive. It's a metaphor for being alive. Got it. That's simple and a bit of a tautalogy. It, however, doesn't move us any closer to an answer of what type of stuff angels and god and demons andthe holy ghost is comprised of. You've simply stated that alive things are alive.

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ANOTHER poke in the eye of the balloon-god YodHeVahHe

by Nathan Natas in

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/evolution/first-metabolic-processes-detected-outside-of-cells/.

precis: a graduate student at the university of cambridge accidentally discovered the first evidence of metabolism occurring outside a cell.

to test the processes that could have helped spark life on earth, students in the earth sciences department who had been working on reconstructing the chemistry of the archean ocean, which covered the planet almost 4 billion years ago helped develop some experiments.

Viviane

God is a being, of some other form, living elsewhere, that is visually not in our limited light spectrum that we can detect, "invisible" as the Bible puts it.

Which spectrum of light are you considering limited? There is only one and we can detect things all along it.

Its called uncertainity. Just bask in the wonder of it all.

Yet you are certain God exists outside of the light spectrum with absolutely no proof. Perhaps you should take your own advice. Or at least not contradict yourself within one paragraph.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

Viviane

I disagree with your conclusion re that my explanation is a metaphor for thinking.

You wrote that's what it was. I quote: Therefore our human spirit in all its guises is a combination of the brains formulation of our desires and goals for whatever purpose and the way we bring that to fruition.

Now you are saying it's oxgygen? That is not at all what you said in the quote abov.

The first definition of the word spirit according to my dictionary is ; spirit noun, force giving life to a body.

No one has yet explained what that is yet. Simply saying it's oxygen doesn't cut it. There are things alive that don't breath oxygen. What if a life form breathed flourine or lithium?

Force in terms of physics is seen as an influence which can produce a change or reaction to a physical system.

Back up there. You just tried to take a definition that has nothing to do with physical things and turn it into one. You haven't connected the dots. And if you DO want to say life force = oxygen = force, then a bullet to the head can extinguish force, it clearly therefore must be a greater force. In fact, since oxygen is produced in the hearts of stars and only given to us via exploding stars which only happens via the coalescence of hydrogen which only happens because of gravity, you could easily make an argument that gravity is really spirit. Without it we wouldn't be here. Or the strong nuclear force. Or the weak. Or iron. Or the speed of light. Or neutrons.

At this point you are just picking of one the many things necessary for human life and going "that's it". It's random and arbitrary at best.

So far, we are no closer to an answer.

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

Viviane

So my answer which i accept really is no answer, is spirit is future existence.

So, there are a couple of issues here. I'll take them as I see them:

1. The future isn't here yet, it's nothing. Therefore spirit = nothing.

2. Are you saying anything that has a future existence has spirit? Rocks? Plants? Electrons? People?

3. If it's just people, does spirit die also when they die?

So far this just seems like a metaphor for either "being alive" or "don't know".

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What is spirit, exactly?

by Viviane in

i've always wondered that.

recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.

cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?

Viviane

spiritual is only what each individual believes it to be.

That's an interesting one, but it's a restatement of one we have covered in the form of "it can be everything and nothing". Still no closer to ananswer.