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Debunking the Bible
by Coded Logic in
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there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.

anyone know any simple arguements for this?

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Viviane

Essentially Hume is saying' If our current understanding of the Laws of Nature do not correspond with a proposed Miracle, it is impossible that a Miracle took place.

That is NOT what he said. He specifically said to judge how likely and probable it was.

What is your explanation to show that this was not a Miracle?

Let's ask a better question. How WAS it a miracle? He didn't say when it would happen. He didn't say who would do it, under what circumstances or anything very specific. He preached an apocalyptic message that said judgement and destruction was coming, they were invaded by Rome and resistance groups were everywhere AND the temple had been destroyed before.

Specifically, where was the miracle?

Campbell argued that the most important factor in determining the authenticity of testimony of a Miracle is the number of witnesses. Numerous witnesses and no evidence of collusion will supersede all other factors, Large Scale testimony is capable of providing absolute certainty even with the most miraculous event.

Such as?
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How to Avoid the Faithless Spirit of most here-
by DocHouse in
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2. beliefs
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.

2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.

3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Viviane

To be fair, it kinda is his thread. Who says his intention was to to debate this with any of us?

Because he asked to in his own thread. Reading is such a wonderful skill.
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How to Avoid the Faithless Spirit of most here-
by DocHouse in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.

2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.

3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Viviane

The EVIDENCE is in how well our body (and all living things) is formed, and all its many parts that function TOGETHER. Combined with ecosyatems that have what the body needs to live, the design is obvious, unless blinded by emotion.

OK. How specifically is that evidence of creation and not evolution? Connect the dots from creation to us and account for all the evidence for evolution and explain how that is really evidence for creation, including observed evolution, the extremely odd and poor functioning design of some of someforms of life, all the ways the universe can kill us and extinct homonids, to name a few. Also, You'll need to describe how this creation happened, your evidence for that, how long ago, etc.
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How to Avoid the Faithless Spirit of most here-
by DocHouse in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.

2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.

3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Viviane

Doc, are you going to provide evidence so we can discuss?

P.S. It should be spelled "networked" in that graphic, not "netwoked". Whoever made that needs to go to the Zoolander Center. Also, the random capitalization is atrocious.
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Debunking the Bible
by Coded Logic in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.

anyone know any simple arguements for this?

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Viviane

I guess all those Universities and Colleges are just full of idiots who have problems with learning.

Doc's alma mater...
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Debunking the Bible
by Coded Logic in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.

anyone know any simple arguements for this?

.
Viviane

It would take hours to consider and discuss so many points. Thus, IF one was serious, they would GLADLY consider one at a time.

Pick one and let's discuss.
77
Debunking the Bible
by Coded Logic in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.

anyone know any simple arguements for this?

.
Viviane

Does the account say God DIDN'T know where they were? It shows he DID- for he spoke in the garden, knowing they were still there. ASKING where they are didn't mean he didn't KNOW where they were.

Actually, it doesn't show that. At all. Faulty logic 101.

Sorry to burst your bubble, atheists- but "idiot" is a legitamite word describing people that can't learn very well.

I meant it as a DESCRIPTION, not an insult- but feel free to use it either way for ME.

OK. Your logic is idiotic and wrong.
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How to Avoid the Faithless Spirit of most here-
by DocHouse in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.

2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.

3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Viviane

Mad, I refer to BIBLICAL faith- hich is based on evidence of things unseen- not CHURCH 'faith' which, as you say, has none. It is only gullibility...\

What objectively verifiable evidence are you referring to? Be specific.
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How to Avoid the Faithless Spirit of most here-
by DocHouse in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.

2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.

3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Viviane

Ishmael- it begins with the evidence (rejected by most) that we have be created rather than just evolved.

If you refuse you acknowledge THAT, NOTHING can be proved.

Baby steps. Start with one piece of objectively verifiable evidence that we have been created, one that outweighs and is more conclusive than the accumulated body of science to date. Show it to us, explain it, then show us another piece, so on and so forth, and you would likely convince some here.
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How to Avoid the Faithless Spirit of most here-
by DocHouse in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.

2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.

3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Viviane

After nearly 10 years of being lead by Jesus Christ ALONE, I can honestly state that faith has been a way of creating reality.

So now you're a creator, like God? Isn't wanting be like God the downfall of Satan, according to Paul? And wasn't it the serpent who claimed to have special knowledge, just as you do? Looks like your faith is turning you more like Satan.

As I said, religion is for egomaniacs.