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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  Oh, you might also want to disqualify prophecies that where fullfilled by one person's actions, if that person had prior knowledge of the prophecy (Jesus, I'm lookin at you - riding into Jerusalem on that donkey...)

  That's an excellent point. Also, "prophecies" like in Daniel, where the earlier versions of the text don't contain the very specific "prophecies" that the later copies do, copies that only exist post-prediction. That is a case of clear retro-fitting of text to match events and is this NOT a prophecy.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  There are four basic metrics that a prophecy has to meet:

  1.) You have to be able to verify it was made before the event happened.

  As I wrote earlier, I specifically excluded that one. For the purposes of this discussion, we are allowing that criteria as a given.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Poe's law got me, DoC!
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Viviane

  Yes there are holes, there are holes in the argument that God SHOULD do soemthing too, but these tend to be holes that are emotion based and from the POV that we, humans, want God to fix things our way and that we can't/won't understand why He doesn't and we think that He can't possibly have a good reason for allowing things to be the way they are.

  You are falsely ascribing a view that many don't hold and dismissing arguments as emotional. Those are both strawmen. You can do better. I hope.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Name one and be specific. Is there a reason you often write so much on faith, the religion and the Bible and yet seem so reticent to name even a single specific prophecy that came true?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  All evidence points to a global flood as described in the Bible NOT happening.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  I am not debating when they were recorded, I am asking anyone to name a specific prophecy that came true exactly as described.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  I can't think of one, GMJALMT. Can you name one? Did you come here to say nothing? If they all came true, this should be easy for you.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  We simply do NOT KNOW why God decides to not intervene and we can simplu express POSSIBLE views, which is what I have done.

  Your answer is, as I said, "It's a mystery". That's been covered extensively on this thread.

  The thing is, proctect them from what? suffering? pain? death? all things that are part of the natural process of life and existence.

  In the Christian world view, those are things that God set in motion. This can be reduced down to "protect them from himself". It's a failed argument.

  In short we want God to make is immortal, we want no pain or suffering and want God to intervene so there is no pain and suffering and death, ever.

  Why don't you address the question rather than attempt to tell other people what they want?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  GMJALMT, you are making a theological argument and preaching. This is a historical discussion. Since you brought it up, though, what specific OT prophecies came true?

  As a side conversation, I am curious how you think the gospels were for Israel since they were written by Christians and in Greek.