yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Or misfortune. Not just suffering. You're ignoring half of the definition.
In any case, God, in omniness, created the very conditions that caused the suffering. It's STILL ALL HIS RESPONSIBILITY. You are completely ignoring that. It's like saying an abusive father always buys his child an ice cream after the beating, so some good comes out of the beatings.
recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
To start as any good apologist should I would like to point out, you failed to ackowledge any merit in my post and just flippantly brushed it off without consideration almost as if you are not really interested in exploring the possibilities, it seems you are just baiting to beat down posters.
Nice... ;)
So, playing my part, of course I didn't. I simply seek clarification on what you consider God's word.
You have slightly shifted the burden of proof with your question. If there is a prophecy that god's word is enduring, just because there are potentially false versions of biblical texts, if just one true version remains the prophecy would be still on track.
The burden always lies on the person making the claim. Hence the need for clarification on what you specifically mean by "God's word".
OneEyedJoe also made an excellent point, that something with no end date can't ever possibly be proved true.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
No, my argument was that there is NO compassion without suffering, which is a fact.
An observable verfiable fact? Citation, please. Please explain how, when I see a puppy at my local no-kill shelter that is fed, played with, given cet care and has toys and a warm place to sleep, I still feel compassion and want to take it home.
Even IF there no compassion without suffering, your argument is self-defeating. If there were no suffering, then there would be absolutely no need for compassion. The thing you say suffering helps us develop is ONLY needed because God allows the suffering his plans caused! You're right back to failing to connect the dots!
That some people choose to NOT be compassionte in the face of suffering does not change the fact that there is no compassion without suffering.
You've still not explained how the lack of compassion after suffering isn't a valid counterpoint.
recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
As a non-believer I offer the following Psalm 111:7-9; the promise that god's word essentially will be enduring.
I offer this counter-point... which version approved by whom and how do we which, if any, are God's word?
Phizzy, that is an excellent post. Thanks!
recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
Prophecy, apocalypticism, theology, are not about science. I think that's your problem.
That's the only way we would ever know if a prophecy came true.
1. Prophet says something specific (names, dates, places, events) will happen that he could not possibly hypothesize or know from available knowledge
2. Observe and see if that thing happens <- That's the science part
Rather try categorizing them under history (prophecy = history in advance), which you will find is not an exact "science" at all.
If it was history in advance it would be. History IS a science. You just said to no use science then said to use it!
Jesus Christ as king designate was paraded before the people (the end point of 69 weeks of years). A week later he was killed "with nothing for himself." It works for me, a brilliant prophecy that was indeed fulfilled in detail.
"Cut off with nothing for himself" doesn't imply "dead". It was all part of a plan whereby he would be King of Reality. The "prophecy" doesn't say what would happen, how it would happen, who it would happen to or the results. It's so vague it could mean a bartender cut him off. It literally isn't capable of being fulfilled in detail because there ARE NO DETAILS, except what the reader pushes back into the text.
Let's not concentrate on Archer's philosophy in life, rather note what he said, which is a prophecy in itself.
How is it a prophecy? In any event, modern archeology and science has proven him wrong. Much like you wouldn't rely on a dentist from 1940, it's time to update.
recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
GMJALMT:
1. Required no special knowledge
2. Theological argument, not historical (and even your Bible contradicts itself on what happened)
3. Theological argument, not historical (and even your Bible contradicts itself on what happened)
4. Theological argument, not historical
5. Theological argument, not historical
6. Theological argument, not historical
7. Theological argument, not historical
8. Theological argument, not historical
9. Theological argument, not historical
Your fellow Christians are arguing with you about these things, I may consider them when you guys get them sorted out.
recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
GMJALMT, you've provided nothing and have nothing. Why would you bother to participate if you have absolutely nothing to contribute?
according to both christian and jewish eschatology, the messiah will come to jerusalem, where he will deliver the jews from hostile nations "round about.
"since the jehovah's witnesses and other adventists don't believe his coming will be literally fulfilled, but figuratively fulfilled, they simply believe he will return to the earth, where he will slay the wicked and the righteous will be caught up to meet him in the air.. first we have a christian declaration:.
and when [jesus] had spoken these things, while [the apostles] beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
So it WILL be in a guy! I knew it!
an atheist airman is being denied the ability to re-enlist in the us air force because he refuses to use the word god in his oath of office, according to the american humanist association (aha).. the unnamed member of the air force refused to take the oath containing so help me god, wanting a secular affirmation instead.
so he crossed out the phrase on his contract.
the airman was told by his superiors that he must swear to god or leave the air force, the aha said in a press release.
You know exactly zero about what I mean or my life. Arrogance wrapped in ignorance.
an atheist airman is being denied the ability to re-enlist in the us air force because he refuses to use the word god in his oath of office, according to the american humanist association (aha).. the unnamed member of the air force refused to take the oath containing so help me god, wanting a secular affirmation instead.
so he crossed out the phrase on his contract.
the airman was told by his superiors that he must swear to god or leave the air force, the aha said in a press release.
Right, because being forced to swear an oath against your religion or beliefs by the government is an little thing.
Save the lecture for someone that knows less about the military, making good decisions and principles than you.
