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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  Viviane

  Viv, Isa 19:23-25 spiecifies that Assyria are the agreesors working as the hand of God, also in Isa 20:3-5 shows that the King of Assyria is at some time after Sargon who is speciefied in 20;1.

  Isaiah 19:23-25 is failed prophecy. Isaiah 20:1 is history. How does that add up to a specific prophecy with names, dates, events, etc.?

  Isa 17 does not spiecify by whom or when, however if you apply the same standard as used to asert historical facts then it can only apply to Assyria.

  That's you adding into the text, not a specific prophecy with names, dates, etc., within the text.

  I am saying that as it has been argued in the discussion about Daniel a late date appears to used to dismiss it as prophetic are we applying the same rule to the rest of prophecy because if that is the case there is evidently no prophecies as we can not date the last redaction of the texts before the oldest copies we have.

  Daniel is known for a fact to be an amalgamation of early and late stories. You are correct, there are no "prophecies" that can be dated to prior to the events. I was letting that slide, but since you brought it up, you are correct. There is no way to prove any of these things were written before the events happened.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Bart, first the good news. It’s possible with a minor change in one of the letters.'

  So prophecy is possible if you change it to fit after the facts?

  Viviane, we can only agree to disagree

  Not really. Can you point to a specific prophecy with names, events and dates that has been fulfilled? It's a yes or no question. Where is the disagreement?

  Perhaps what Bart means, can he present a historical prophecy, one that came true in the time that it was written, as predictive prophecy?

  Let's let Bart speak for himself, literally exactly what we should do with the Bible.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  I do not agree with you that there is no historic fulfilment of either Isa 17 and 19. Damacus was taken by Tiglath-Pileser III between 738 and 732BCE, and Egypt was invaded by Esarhaddon, all these events are recorded on ABC 1 (BM 92502), as well of the sacking of Babylon by Elam in 694, which makes Isa 20 refer to this even and not the later defeat by Cyrus.

  Just show me the scriptures that refer to these specific people, events and dates and I will agree also.

  Viviane - Are we restricting the use of a post written prophetic/ History or did you rule that out in the OP?

  I don't understand what you mean.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  This is where prophetic interpretation comes in. It’s great fun, you should try it:

  So you still have an unfulfilled prophecy that you have to make up stuff and add to it to make it "fit".

  Not one prophecy from the Bible can be shown to be fulfilled.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  As seen, a historical fit for Is. 19 was missing. Such a period in Egyptian history cannot be identified. However, above statements would make perfect sense as a prediction for the future, as of now.

  OK, so all you have is an unfiulfilled prophecy. Since Assyria doesn't even exist as a nation anymore AND the then Caananite language the prophecy claims they will speak is a dead language, it's unlikely to be fullfiled, but hey, free beer tomorrow, right?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  HT, having a dream and having something sort of fit later isn't a prophecy, as you accurately said. Even if you HAD told someone, without specifics, it's vague and almost anything could fit. That's why, for real prophecy, specifics are as must.
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  Nebuchadnezzar's Dream--The Death of His Dynasty

  by Tiresias in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  following my departure from the jehovah's witnesses, i have done my own research using preterism as a primary lens.

  i would like to share my understanding of daniel chapter 2:.

  31 "you looked, o king, and there before you stood a large statuean enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance.

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  Viviane

  I said Bible prophecy earlier. Was that not clear?
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Specifically, I said. Dates, names, etc.. Civil war is very common and requires no special knowledge.
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  Nebuchadnezzar's Dream--The Death of His Dynasty

  by Tiresias in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  following my departure from the jehovah's witnesses, i have done my own research using preterism as a primary lens.

  i would like to share my understanding of daniel chapter 2:.

  31 "you looked, o king, and there before you stood a large statuean enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  No dogma, just a reasonable standard of judgement. That prophecy fails any reasonable test is a consequence.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  What part was specifically fulfilled exactly as predicted?