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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

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  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Viviane

  Notice that "belief" is characterized as a feeling, state of mind, conviction. Never as knowledge.

  I never said it was. Are you trolling your own thread?

  My question is: If lack of evidence cannot produce positive knowledge, on what grounds is the lack of belief of an atheist more sound than the belief of a theist?

  Is that your new question? It certainly wasn't your first one. Are you changing questions?

  I stand corrected if you can prove me that lack of evidence can produce positive knowledge.

  I never made such a claim, no idea why you would ask me to prove it to you.

  I suggest you read very carefully what I write (as well as what you write) and make sure you very clearly understand what I say. For instance, I NEVER said lack of evidence leads to positive knowledge. You somehow got that, but I never said nor implied it. In this specific case, there is a lack of evidence that you are reading carefully, leading to the positive knowledge that you are adding in your own meaning.

  You may sit down now.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Viviane

  Lack of evidence leads to lack of knowledge.

  That's a ridiculous platitude that makes a major unfounded assumption.

  In turn, lack of knowledge may lead to lack of belief, but not necessarily. Some people believe - or don't believe - irrespective of knowledge to justify such beliefs.'

  So? People do what they want. I can only speak for me.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Viviane

  But since no distinction exists in English, when we're dealing with how atheism asserts the non-belief in deities, what belief exactly are we talking about?

  Depends on who you ask. I lack belief due to lack of evidence. Other atheists actively believe there are none.

  Since neither version of atheist has a belief in and diety, they certainly can't have trust in that deity.
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  PSALMS 83: 18 What is the name of God ?

  by william draper in

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  so many of us have been taught that the name of god is jehovah , if like me many have come to really appreciate god's name .. .

  more accurately we , at least many or most love the name of jehovah , or more accurately should i say this pronunciation .

  does god care what we call him , of course he does , he had his name written in the bible as yhwh ( best i can do on this computer ) , more than 6000 times .

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  Viviane

  Who calls their father by his first name!

  I do, but then, I've disowned him and refuse to give him that honorific simply because we share some twisted strands of DNA.
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  PSALMS 83: 18 What is the name of God ?

  by william draper in

  1. watchtower
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  so many of us have been taught that the name of god is jehovah , if like me many have come to really appreciate god's name .. .

  more accurately we , at least many or most love the name of jehovah , or more accurately should i say this pronunciation .

  does god care what we call him , of course he does , he had his name written in the bible as yhwh ( best i can do on this computer ) , more than 6000 times .

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  Viviane

  Although there appears to be still lacking evidence , very oddly there are incitations of God's name having been written in the New Testament , besides Jws , others speak of MATTHEW as possibly have been originally in Hebrew , but no real evidence of this found as of yet .

  Matthew was never written in Hebrew or Aramaic, it was written in Koine Greek. There are no signs of translations and it fits perfectly with other examples of text written natively in that language.

  Interestingly, YHWH is a modern (in the Jewish sense) invention, an amalgamation of a much older god EL and YHWH. The earliest writings about YHWH are nothing like the later writings, he was a much more personal and local god. Later, as the the proto-Jewish Semitic people became more isolated from their Semitic counterparts, YHWH began to take on the all powerful properties of EL. He lost his consort, Asherah. His brother Ba'al became his enemy.
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  Paranormal activity in a room at Ohio University

  by economy in

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  why this room (no 428), located at ohio university, is unavailable to students?.

  it has been boarded up and closed off because of various paranormal reports regarding the room.

  poltergeist activity has been felt: objects flying across the room, doors that open and shut by themselves, and dark shadows appearing and disappearing without explanation.

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  Viviane

  A bunch of people say a room is haunted.

  So?
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

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  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  Viviane

  If being a bible believing (non-cult) christian makes me a bigot (in your eyes)--then yes I am proud!

  Oh, sorry, perhaps you didn't know that Christianity IS a cult. It's your disgusting attempts to dehumanize an entire group of people based on cherry picked morality and wavering convictions that are disgusting.

  Be proud of that. It's an ever smaller and more exclusive club you belong to.
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

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  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  Viviane

  And Viv, excuse me, but grow a BACKBONE? WTF? Are you losing your edginess that we have all come to know, expect and love? Backbone? That is not the body parts he needs to grow according to the Viv I know and love.

  No, but I told Simon I would stop making all the boys cry.
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  Viviane

  I am not the least bit upset--in fact I would be surprised if you werent that way at all. I realize you are an atheist, and in being so, this is to be expected. If you were supporting me, talking decently to me, and not resorting to name calling, then I would know that I was in the wrong.

  As I said, accusing others of your own behavior is a common tactic amongst those who seek to dehumanize others. Your views and actions are disgusting and you are a poor example of a human.

  Grow a backbone, for heaven's sake, and be proud of the bigoted views you hold. At then I could respect you for standing up for what you believe in. Now it's just sad watching pretend you're a victim for being a bigot and having issues with your sexuality.
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  Viviane

  you are poor example too--you preach tolerance, then when someone holds a view different from yours, you resort to name calling--you are a hypocrite.

  You see, being a hypocrite would mean I would be saying I can hold my views but you can't hold yours. No one saying that at all. I am tolerant of your views and your right to hold them. I never said you shouldn't. Your views just happen to be disgusting and your actions, attempting to dehumanize people, make you a poor example of a human and I have every right to call that out.

  You should own that, be proud of it. Why are you suddenly whining and upset that your views are being called what they are? Seriously, I find it hilarious that the people that want to enshrine the right to be bigoted assholes into law suddenly turn in simpering children when the right to properly calls out those bigoted views is used.

  Grow a backbone, for heaven's sake.