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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

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  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Viviane

  The only "evidence" about Spanx The Almighty is in his Holy Book; his followers point to the creation as evidence. Some claim they get direct messages from Spanx, they claim to be his prophets.

  So, you completely misunderstand. Not "what evidence exists" but, given that there is none, what can you tell me about Spanx so that it would be possible to get any?

  For instance, if people are getting messages, they have to be delivered somehow, so we should be able to detect that, MRI, changes in the brain, the energy used to deliver it, etc.

  If Spanx is all powerful, we should be able to detect uses of that power in terms of energy discharge, etc.

  If, on the other hand, you are telling me that Spanx is completely undetectable, then first that raises the question of "how did the holy books get transcribed since, by definition they couldn't know anything about him" and secondly, if there is something that is, by definition, unknowable, then how could there be knowledge we are lacking?
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Viviane

  I'm seeing you have a wild side!

  Why only one side?
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Viviane

  Damn, no wonder last night went all outta' control!

  It reminded me of "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride"...

  ... in that if you lick a horny toad, you might see some weird sh*t.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Viviane

  Now THIS is the most interesting thing posted on this thread in the last 8 pages!!!

  
  
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Viviane, I really don't understand what you're trying to do here. Are you trying to debunk any god I may throw at you? Don't even go there, I will agree with you. What's your point?

  You said lack of evidence leads to lack of knowledge, specifically under the auspices of a discussion around atheism and your attempts to claim it is a belief.

  So, using your god, is there any way to gather evidence about it? I need you to define it so I can tell if there is anyway possible to gather evidence or determine if it is possible to gather evidence and whether or not it is even possible to know anything about such a creature.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  3. 
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  Viviane

  So, now what?

  So, define it, not tell me a story.

  If lack of evidence leads to lack of knowledge, define this god's properties so I can tell whether or not there is evidence for it.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Viviane

  Not so, I didn't name any authority. Just curious to know as to why your opinion is more credible than that of Mr. Cline. Because you say so?

  Oh sweet baby Jesus this is getting ridiculous.

  Yes. You did. You describes your source as "official". When pointed out to you that was untrue, you attempted to fall back and question if anyone was more credible. That's an appeal to authority. Twice.

  It is you now who pretend to know what I think and what I do and don't understand. I can understand all the nuances, but I'm trying to figure out why your definition is the 'agreed upon definition' and Mr. Cline's definition isn't.

  Well, then it's very odd that you keep using the term so incorrectly. Again, are you trolling your own thread?

  I don't presume or pretend anything (except when it's role playing/dress up night. Let the reader use discernment on whether that RPG MMO or something... else) because you personally have attempted to conflate different positions into one. Either you are trolling your own thread, deliberately misstating it or you don't understand.

  Why in the world would I need to pretend you don't understand something when I can simply quote you and show it (as I've done many times).
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Viviane

  This may not be everyone's reason for responding to Eden, but for me it was about trying to reason with him/her.

  Mine, personally, is the hope that people like Eden can learn and also to serve as an example to others that could potentially fall prey to such bad reasoning, how easy it is to deconstruct and how to spot holes in logic and arguments that could be used to in other ways to negatively influence them.

  Basically, to show them a good example of critical thinking and how to apply it.

  It's also just good practice.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Viviane

  For the sake of argument, let's assume a monotheistic god akin to the Christian god, minus the whole god-became-man part. Let's call it Spanx, the Almighty. I wonder where do you want to take the discussion from there.

  OK. Now define it.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Viviane

  Why then should your authority be more credible than that of Mr. Cline? Just curious about credentials.
  

  Ah, the appeal to authority. The last gasp of a failed argument.

  Seems to me that there's confusion in the atheist side of the fence.

  Since you can't seem to grasp the nuances of the terms and how it's applied, I am not surprised at your confusion.